Valve's optimizations make Linux port of L4D2 outperform Windows version

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Us linux users always pay the most for pay what you want titles.

Uninformed mate.

The only stats I could quote are the Humble Bundle ones and Linux users always seem to pay the most.

From the current bundle.

Average purchase:$8.28
Average Windows:$7.44
Average Mac:$9.82
Average Linux:$11.93

So, even from those limited stats I am aware of, it would indeed seem an incorrect comment.

I am guessing more that he has no intention to publish on the platform so just tries to rubbish it. Not good cricket in my opinion.
 
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Only problem with this, is the potentially for Linux to be ruined like the Mac within society. The amount of idiots I've known to go buy a Mac just because its a Mac and has a sudden surge of popularity is astounding, you could see Linux becoming the new Hipster plaything if it all goes the way it looks to. I'd hate to be a Linux user right now! :p
 
Only problem with this, is the potentially for Linux to be ruined like the Mac within society. The amount of idiots I've known to go buy a Mac just because its a Mac and has a sudden surge of popularity is astounding, you could see Linux becoming the new Hipster plaything if it all goes the way it looks to. I'd hate to be a Linux user right now! :p

LOL

To be fair, everytime I toy with Linux (once a year or so) to try new builds, I find myself having to drop to shell sooner or later for one thing or another.

Because of that, Linux users are safe from having their platform of choice hijacked by Justin Biebers Facebook fans.
 
LOL

To be fair, everytime I toy with Linux (once a year or so) to try new builds, I find myself having to drop to shell sooner or later for one thing or another.

Because of that, Linux users are safe from having their platform of choice hijacked by Justin Biebers Facebook fans.

What do you mean dropping a shell? :p
 
Only problem with this, is the potentially for Linux to be ruined like the Mac within society. The amount of idiots I've known to go buy a Mac just because its a Mac and has a sudden surge of popularity is astounding, you could see Linux becoming the new Hipster plaything if it all goes the way it looks to. I'd hate to be a Linux user right now! :p

Hey, i don't care who uses it. More users only means better support.

On its own it's not a bad thing, but e whole direction and what they saying is a bad thing. If they carry on this stubborn path, they will do themselfs out of huge sales, they have to come up to date and realize computers both hardware and how we use them are changing.

For a start big companies Microsoft want, they negotiate a special price. 30% is a joe blogs rate. They could also make a complaint to the eu on anti competitor and get a ruling against apple, ms and android. Even android is slowly getting more locked down as they realize bad apps are not good publicity.

Consequences, MS will do fine, steam does not own most the games, they are still going to be available on windows. Again I can not see most users switching to Linux so what is steam going to do? Eventually ditch windows and as such half the developers ditch steam and they have far fewer users? That's the path they are starting to take and unless they change course I can't see it being good for steam, or for us.

What stubborn path, exactly? Supporting Linux is stubborn? No, letting Microsoft do whatever they want and having everybody just accept it is stubborn. Technology changes. Companies rise and fall. But the power of choice lies with the users, not with the companies. If they make changes that the users don't like then the users are going to stop using it, if there's a better alternative. And that's what Valve are doing here. They're helping to make the alternative better. For years the main thing holding many people back from Linux has been the gaming support.

Just because Windows 8 is the way it is doesn't mean that everybody has to use it or else. Gabe doesn't like it, so Valve are offering another alternative. At no point have they said they'll stop supporting Windows.

And you don't think people would at least dual boot if that was the case? Please, i think you underestimate the gaming community's love affair with Gaben :p

Do you have a source for Android becoming more 'locked down'? The platform has always been open, some manufacturers do their very best to undo the good that does but that changes nothing about Android itself.

Inclusive is great, but taken with their other comments, it does not read that way, the longer they leave switching to the new era the harder it will be. What they going to do when metro becomes the standard? Either they embrace it or they pull windows support.

With their current plan, they have no way to distribute arm games, which is a massive growing market and they could have broken into that and by the sounds of it, they aren't even going to make a win8 app, which is a shame. Think what they could do with live tiles, tell you which friends are online and all the other stuff. Wouldn't cost them anything either, make the app free and x86 can't be sold through the market anyway.

No, they can support Windows without 'embracing' Windows 8. It's up to users what they want to do then.

No plan to distribute ARM games? Well, it's likely that the rumoured 'Steam Console' would use ARM. But what does that have to do with a decision to support Linux? Linux has ARM support. So does Windows, last i checked.

I have no idea what 'live tiles' are, but Steam already does that.
 
apple is not just used because its trendy. If they make linux fall over easy then sure, then no doubt shiny happy people will love it. apple stores give out lessons to 9 year olds, really not sure it compares
 
apple is not just used because its trendy. If they make linux fall over easy then sure, then no doubt shiny happy people will love it. apple stores give out lessons to 9 year olds, really not sure it compares

Apple got a lucrative deal with the US DoE to ship Apple II systems, and that was how they made enough money to expand\design stuff like the iMac etc. Same thing with Microsoft really. Xerox PARC were the real early innovators, the other firms just copied them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_Parc
 
apple is not just used because its trendy. If they make linux fall over easy then sure, then no doubt shiny happy people will love it. apple stores give out lessons to 9 year olds, really not sure it compares

I know, Mac's are great if your into design or software editing, but most people I know brought it to game on over Windows. That's like using a pair of hair clippers to mow your lawn, it'll probably do the job but why not just use a Lawnmower?

I suppose there is no specific reason to use Linux though, same as Windows, so even if people flood to it it'll no doubt stay the same, I'm just glad a lot of people ran over to Apple.
 
I've never even looked into Linux. What are it's benefits and pros against Windows and OSX? Windows = Great for Office, Gaming and general tasks. OSX = Great for graphic design, music production. Linux = Great for servers? I don't know..
 
I've never even looked into Linux. What are it's benefits and pros against Windows and OSX? Windows = Great for Office, Gaming and general tasks. OSX = Great for graphic design, music production. Linux = Great for servers? I don't know..

Security and resource use are much better with Linux, and obviously it's free (companies make money from ongoing support of specific distro\hardware combinations). The weak spots are driver support can be hit and miss with some hardware, and it doesn't have a direct equivalent to MS Office or Photoshop (Openoffice and GIMP are pretty good though). Getting games working is more difficult depending on the title, some are native and some will work easily through emulation.

Debian works pretty well on my PC out of the box, and I don't game much so I'm thinking of making it my primary OS.

Edit: If you have any other Linux questions, best to ask here http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=10
 
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If Valve actually believe the masses will move to Linux because they perceive the Windows store as a threat then they have another thing coming.

I am sorry Gabe but competition is the reality of the real commercial world. Having another competitor doesn't mean your business will automatically suffer, but it does mean that you will have to try harder at retaining consumer's custom. As far as I can tell at this stage it is all a knee jerk reaction. At no point have MS suggested or even hinted at the App store being the only source for customers to purchase software.

Xbox Live will be integrated into the system but that doesn't automatically make the platform a closed system. Personally I think Valve should concentrate on producing software rather than this pie in the sky stuff.
 
Security and resource use are much better with Linux, and obviously it's free (companies make money from ongoing support of specific distro\hardware combinations). The weak spots are driver support can be hit and miss with some hardware, and it doesn't have a direct equivalent to MS Office or Photoshop (Openoffice and GIMP are pretty good though). Getting games working is more difficult depending on the title, some are native and some will work easily through emulation.

Debian works pretty well on my PC out of the box, and I don't game much so I'm thinking of making it my primary OS.

Edit: If you have any other Linux questions, best to ask here http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=10

When I last dabbled with Linux, I found that the killer was dodgy/non existent hardware support. Many things took too long to fix and IMHO, negated many good features of Linux (also I really don't like the look of GNOME 3/KDE 4 ATM, but that's another story :p).
 
I read this a few days back and thought why?? Why are they pouring money and resource into a godawful 3rd rate fragmented OS. Its a good server OS but absolutely stinks as a desktop and has a niche userbase who are allergic to spending cash.

Guess MS must have REALLY upset them with their new App store to get them sticking a load of cash on a 3 legged horse.

Not sure if you're trolling or not, or just haven't ever used a linux distro.
 
Not sure if you're trolling or not, or just haven't ever used a linux distro.

I have.

Linux is FAR from ready to be adopted by the masses in my opinion. I still see it as very much an "hobbyist" O.S regarding home use.

I am not trolling with that comment, it is my honest perception.

Your average "Joe" would be lost within a few minutes.
 
I've never even looked into Linux. What are it's benefits and pros against Windows and OSX? Windows = Great for Office, Gaming and general tasks. OSX = Great for graphic design, music production. Linux = Great for servers? I don't know..

If you write software or do anything of a technical nature then Linux is the superior OS. Its design is fundamentally simple but brilliant.
 
I have.

Linux is FAR from ready to be adopted by the masses in my opinion. I still see it as very much an "hobbyist" O.S regarding home use.

I am not trolling with that comment, it is my honest perception.

Your average "Joe" would be lost within a few minutes.

Last time I used Ubuntu on first boot it prompted to install all drivers, offering and explaining the choices well.

Hardware recognition was excellent and I was connected to a wireless network easily with network manager.

Updates were promoted for.

And as for the average Joe thing...my wife uses Ubuntu and is not a hobbyist by any stretch. She is one of the few people that prefers Unity.

I think you should give it another try even in Virtualbox. Ubuntu/Mint are both mature OS's and very friendly communities.

Linux is about choice. You dont have to use iCloud, iTunes, windows app store. Dont like something? you are more than free to change it, just credit those who helped you.
 
If you write software or do anything of a technical nature then Linux is the superior OS. Its design is fundamentally simple but brilliant.

Security and resource use are much better with Linux, and obviously it's free (companies make money from ongoing support of specific distro\hardware combinations). The weak spots are driver support can be hit and miss with some hardware, and it doesn't have a direct equivalent to MS Office or Photoshop (Openoffice and GIMP are pretty good though). Getting games working is more difficult depending on the title, some are native and some will work easily through emulation.

Debian works pretty well on my PC out of the box, and I don't game much so I'm thinking of making it my primary OS.

Edit: If you have any other Linux questions, best to ask here http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/forumdisplay.php?f=10

Cheers both.
Sounds like it's not really any use to me at this present time unless I want to try something new i can fiddle with.. Which I may sometime!

Unless Steam starts using it ;) Might be an excuse then.

David
 
Ubuntu is simple to setup anyhow. My mail client doesnt work on it hence I never switched over but I dont remember any other reason stopping me, just me being lazy all my old mail is junk anyhow

win8 has too much moaning, it runs fine. The frontend means little
 
I have.

Linux is FAR from ready to be adopted by the masses in my opinion. I still see it as very much an "hobbyist" O.S regarding home use.

I am not trolling with that comment, it is my honest perception.

Your average "Joe" would be lost within a few minutes.

Partially agree with you. There are aspects of the various distros that are perfectly viable for the average "Joe". The ability to browse the web, create & edit word documents etc, these are all functions which are good to go. The fact that the interface is different is no more of a change than going from Windows 7 to 8, which users are going to have to get used to anyway.

I'll still maintain that getting a linux distro up and running on a laptop/desktop is much easier and quicker than performing a Windows installation...but then again, your average Joe wouldn't be interested in doing that on their own.

My response was more in reply to this bit:

godawful 3rd rate fragmented OS. Its a good server OS but absolutely stinks as a desktop

Which seemed biased and somewhat presumptive.
 
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