Van is the Man
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ronaldo tries hard mate, when he played for brazil it was blatent he wasnt fit for most matches, look at the england match he was doing pretty much nothing and came off early in many matches.
Real Madrid wanted him 100% fully fit they r not gonna play 70% fit players when they have plenty of others to fill in his place and he had a thigh injury in training which prevented him getting back earlier.
So lets not accuse ronaldo of anything, not every body is the same some will come back as strong as ever from injury and some will take time.
Before the World cup this yr he had been playing for inter on a regular basis iirc
1996/97 - 17 games, 15 goals
1997/98 - 18 games, 10 goals
1998/99 - 8 games, 7 goals
99/2000 - 3 game , 1 goal
2000/01 - 0 games
2001/02 - 10 games, 9 goals
Real Madrid wanted him 100% fully fit they r not gonna play 70% fit players when they have plenty of others to fill in his place and he had a thigh injury in training which prevented him getting back earlier.
So lets not accuse ronaldo of anything, not every body is the same some will come back as strong as ever from injury and some will take time.
Before the World cup this yr he had been playing for inter on a regular basis iirc
1996/97 - 17 games, 15 goals
1997/98 - 18 games, 10 goals
1998/99 - 8 games, 7 goals
99/2000 - 3 game , 1 goal
2000/01 - 0 games
2001/02 - 10 games, 9 goals
Man of Honour
Do you mean that Shearer and RvN are the only two players in the world to have come back from that injury? If that's what you think, you obviously don't pay much attention to football as there are plenty of footballers that have done that and made a successful comeback.
If I'm mis-reading you however, then it's an invalid point anyway as the others haven't damaged their cruciates. So your post is quite confusing really on this point.
Why is it so hard for you to believe that Ronaldo has just been unlucky with injuries? Surely you're not that biased and are just looking for reasons why RvN is better? He was out for basically two years with the same injury (injured it once, came back and unfortunately did it again in his first match). When you come back from an injury like that, the rest of your body is not conditioned to handle stress the way it usually is, which is why he's been out with a series of smaller injuries rather than another major one.
Please correct me if I'm getting the wrong end of the stick here, but this is the impression I'm getting from you, that you're trying to discredit Ronaldo by looking at his injuries, because his goalscoring stats are far better than RvN's.
"of the to players" should read "of the top players" (that i can think of).
this doesnt even have anything to do with RvN anymore. its more about ronaldo not being what he was.
am i the only one who has notices that he always plays for brazil but can barely scrape together more than 2 consecutive games for his club?
his stats over his entire career are better, but lets concentrate on the last 2 yrs.
also i dont think its right for u to say that a player is great NOW, based on what he did 3 yrs ago (though he did have a good world cup, but now he has gone back to patchy performances for club, similar to inter).
also as i understand it, rvn and shearer both had cruciate ligament injuries. injuries that take about 1 season to heal. ronaldo had the same. if u are saying this is incorrect, then what injury did shearer have before he came to blackburn, and what injury did RvN have before he came to man utd? enlighten us.
this doesnt even have anything to do with RvN anymore. its more about ronaldo not being what he was.
am i the only one who has notices that he always plays for brazil but can barely scrape together more than 2 consecutive games for his club?
his stats over his entire career are better, but lets concentrate on the last 2 yrs.
also i dont think its right for u to say that a player is great NOW, based on what he did 3 yrs ago (though he did have a good world cup, but now he has gone back to patchy performances for club, similar to inter).
also as i understand it, rvn and shearer both had cruciate ligament injuries. injuries that take about 1 season to heal. ronaldo had the same. if u are saying this is incorrect, then what injury did shearer have before he came to blackburn, and what injury did RvN have before he came to man utd? enlighten us.
The guy has had so many injuries he has been injured most of this yr, nearly all of last so how can u expect him to play consistantly, he barely got through the WC could u not see that while watching the WC
Rvn has hit his peak again and u wanna compare him to Ronaldo, give it a few weeks and when ronaldo and real are back on form then we can see who is better
as far as i know he came back after 22 months in Sept 2001 injured thigh in nov, came back to training in march, injured leg for madrid came back in Oct iirc
Rvn has hit his peak again and u wanna compare him to Ronaldo, give it a few weeks and when ronaldo and real are back on form then we can see who is better
as far as i know he came back after 22 months in Sept 2001 injured thigh in nov, came back to training in march, injured leg for madrid came back in Oct iirc
chill out guys
RVN is the better striker now along with Henry
Ronaldo is undoubetdly a great striker but cannot compare at the moment due to injury.
When he is back fit and playing well he will come into contention for sure as he is undoubetdly one of the all time greats. and at the tender age of 24 or 25 has his best years ahead of him if he can get and stay fit.
RVN and Henry are the best strikers on the planet at the moment.
RVN is the better striker now along with Henry
Ronaldo is undoubetdly a great striker but cannot compare at the moment due to injury.
When he is back fit and playing well he will come into contention for sure as he is undoubetdly one of the all time greats. and at the tender age of 24 or 25 has his best years ahead of him if he can get and stay fit.
RVN and Henry are the best strikers on the planet at the moment.
Man of Honour
There are plenty of "top" players who've done their cruciates and recovered. I think both Bobby Pires and Gio Van Bronckhirst did it. Gazza did it. I could find more if you wanted to be pedantic.
You mean, concentrate on the last 2 years when he's had severe injured for 95% of it? Yeah, seems fair
I will enlighten you since you asked. You are correct that both Shearer and RvN damaged their cruciates, but you are incorrect that Ronaldo did as well. He originally injured some tendons in his knee (can't remember which ones), and was out for about 4 months. On his return from injury, his very first game back, he injured the same tendon, and needed an operation to completely rebuild it, and he was out for over a year before returning. Therefore, not a cruciate ligament injury like the other two.
Consider yourself enlightened.
Man of Honour
Quick addition, I think it was his Patella Tendon he snapped, name just popped into my head. Could be wrong though of course! 
Originally posted by Davey_Pitch
You mean, concentrate on the last 2 years when he's had severe injured for 95% of it? Yeah, seems fair
yep its fair. when judging a player, u have to judge him on injury, warts and all. u dont judge him only on his good qualities, but also on his bad qualities.
for the past few years, ronaldo has been injury prone and hence hasnt shone. so right now he is not in contention to be one of the best strikers, though if he makes it back from injury he may well be.
if u want to use results of 3 years ago, and by that say ronaldo is one of the best, then by that arguement, i can also say that man utd are the best team in the league (cuz thats what they were 3 yrs ago).
u cant have it both ways.
when we say a team or sportsman is (one of) the best we usually mean, on current form. not on what that person did 3, 5 or 10 yrs ago.
as many have stated, rvn and henry are currently 2 of the best strikers on the planet. ronaldo used to be the best....not anymore.
Man of Honour
I personally wouldn't class Ronaldo as injury prone. He's had one injury that kept him out for two years, and a few minor ones while trying to regain full fitness (which is normal). An injury prone player to me is someone like Duncan Ferguson, who just picks up one injury after another.
And I also don't think you can judge the best striker in the world by form alone, you have to go by ability as well. Any striker can go on a run of scoring 6-7 goals in as many games, but it's the ability to do is over a season that counts. Ronaldo can and will do that when fit (as his stats show), as can Henry and RvN.
Anyway, this is a moot argument as it's subject to personal opinion and bias. You're a Man Utd fan, you will obviously think RvN is the best in the world. I'm an Everton fan, and think Wayne Rooney will 0wn the lot of them 
And I also don't think you can judge the best striker in the world by form alone, you have to go by ability as well. Any striker can go on a run of scoring 6-7 goals in as many games, but it's the ability to do is over a season that counts. Ronaldo can and will do that when fit (as his stats show), as can Henry and RvN.
Anyway, this is a moot argument as it's subject to personal opinion and bias. You're a Man Utd fan, you will obviously think RvN is the best in the world. I'm an Everton fan, and think Wayne Rooney will 0wn the lot of them
Both very good players, i wouldn't mind having both in the same team they'd complement each other perfectly. RvN is what Arsenal need at the mo, someone who always gets in the right position and is more of an all out striker. Given the choice though i'd rather have Henry, as he scores goals and more than makes up for scoring slightly less than RvN with his all round game.
any of them that gets to play along Dennis Bergkamp is obviously the best =P
Arsenal DO need a striker who can get into the box, but last season, Ljunberg did a lot of that for us with his runs from midfield...RvN would be great alongside Henry, but i wouldnt want him to join because where would the IceMan go 
Arsenal DO need a striker who can get into the box, but last season, Ljunberg did a lot of that for us with his runs from midfield...RvN would be great alongside Henry, but i wouldnt want him to join because where would the IceMan go
wouldnt suprise me, wenger doesnt give him enough time on the pitch...dennis is amazing, i dont care what people say, if we want to retain the title we really do need him to feature...
as for a replacement schevchenko is good but i dno, i dont think wenger would pay a lot of money for a striker...
as for a replacement schevchenko is good but i dno, i dont think wenger would pay a lot of money for a striker...
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Even as a Man UTD hater I must admit his second goal was fantastic I was totally impressed.. but he still annoys the hell out of me the way he squanders chances diving all the time, if he stayed on his feet he'd be a much better player; but he'd rather fall to the floor rather than take chances: great example yesterday when he wormed his way through the defense beating the last defender then falling to the floor untouched (rather than continuing his run and possibly scoring).
I still think Henry is the better player though, even though Ruud Van Nistelroll's (
) second goal was sheer class.
I still think Henry is the better player though, even though Ruud Van Nistelroll's (
) second goal was sheer class.
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can i just add
RvN was the Champions League Top Scorer last season
and is currently joint top CL scorer this season even tho he has been subbed off a lot (for rest) and has missed a few with injury, UTD have to take it easy with him as they have a shortage of players upfront
he is a great player all round
I Think Terry Henry as the English say! Is a great fast player but is also a confidence player, how many penalties has he missed recently? I think they should play him on the wing.
RvN was the Champions League Top Scorer last season
and is currently joint top CL scorer this season even tho he has been subbed off a lot (for rest) and has missed a few with injury, UTD have to take it easy with him as they have a shortage of players upfront
he is a great player all round
I Think Terry Henry as the English say! Is a great fast player but is also a confidence player, how many penalties has he missed recently? I think they should play him on the wing.