VDSL Router/Modem for moving to new ISP iDNET (Gaming)

Defiant306

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Hello

Looking for suggestions for a VDSL Router/Modem as I'm moving to new ISP: iDNET (Gaming)

Can folks suggest options please, Happy to entertain combo or separates if there is reasons.

Thanks


Defiant
 
Perhaps one of the TP-Link Archer range, I recently bought a wifi card from that range and have been really impressed with it.

Can't go wrong with a draytek if you want to spend a bit more.
 
Webzta said:
Perhaps one of the TP-Link Archer range, I recently bought a wifi card from that range and have been really impressed with it.

Can't go wrong with a draytek if you want to spend a bit more.
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I had a Draytek router, I sent it back after a week.
 
We roll out a lot of Draytek routers too. We find their wireless capabilities lacking, so we nearly always sell them with a Ubiquity access point. However the routers themselves seem to be very much bullet proof.
 
What's so great about iDNET? Surely there FTTC service isn't going to offer much lower pings and latency over other ISPs on the same line. £61.80 per month i was quoted and £120 for initial setup costs. That's bloody expensive for any where between 60-80 meg speeds i was quoted and upto 20 meg upload. With Pinemedia which are based in sheffield in the same building as plusnet they offer FTTP or AirFibre which they claim has better latency than FTTP, Sub 20ms pings vs their FTTP which is sub 25ms pings. For £45 a month i can get 80meg no upto full 80 meg speeds and 30 meg on the upload and sub 20ms pings. That's miles better than iDNET surely? It seems a con to me what they are charging or am i missing something here? Also Pinemedia don't traffic shape neither.
 
r7slayer said:
What's so great about iDNET? Surely there FTTC service isn't going to offer much lower pings and latency over other ISPs on the same line. £61.80 per month i was quoted and £120 for initial setup costs. That's bloody expensive for any where between 60-80 meg speeds i was quoted and upto 20 meg upload. With Pinemedia which are based in sheffield in the same building as plusnet they offer FTTP or AirFibre which they claim has better latency than FTTP, Sub 20ms pings vs their FTTP which is sub 25ms pings. For £45 a month i can get 80meg no upto full 80 meg speeds and 30 meg on the upload and sub 20ms pings. That's miles better than iDNET surely? It seems a con to me what they are charging or am i missing something here? Also Pinemedia don't traffic shape neither.
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Firstly, never heard of Pinemedia until today and also they don't provide a service to me... well it doesn't look like it as they list areas of England for the service and they wont take my post code in Scotland.

Secondly to answer your question this is what iDNET advises for the service: With our pro-gaming broadband package, your data traffic is given priority (24/7) at the exchange over standard DSL traffic and No contention, No throttling, No traffic shaping, No port blocking and No data caps
Static ip4 and a block of ip6 address as well.

Also the £120 charge is for some situations such as migration from an unbundled connection, I believe they have to pay open reach to change it at the exchange for the likes of SKY and co who have their own kit racked in each exchange.
 
Sounds like waffle to me to justify charging so much. Zen is cheaper!

And I bet you'd notice no difference between these, Zen and even PlusNet.
 
If you're going to spend significantly on your internet then don't skimp on the router.

Are you comfortable with networking? If so then separate out the components of modem , routing and wifi to get the best of breed (within reason) for each part and minimise bottlenecks. I'm not sure I would notice the difference personally but if you're the type of person who needs rock solid stability and a couple of milli-seconds off your ping is important then get something like the following:

For the modem get a Draytek Vigor 130
For routing duties get a Ubiquiti EdgeRouter Lite or USG or build your own pfSense box
For wifi get Ubiquiti Unifi Access Points

Separates also means some re-usability if you switch home or provider or technology in the future so a worthwhile investment. If you want the convenience of the all in one then the TP-Link and Draytek recommendations already in here I think are pretty decent.
 
BigT said:
If you're going to spend significantly on your internet then don't skimp on the router.

Are you comfortable with networking? If so then separate out the components of modem , routing and wifi to get the best of breed (within reason) for each part and minimise bottlenecks. I'm not sure I would notice the difference personally but if you're the type of person who needs rock solid stability and a couple of milli-seconds off your ping is important then get something like the following:

For the modem get a Draytek Vigor 130
For routing duties get a Ubiquiti EdgeRouter Lite or USG or build your own pfSense box
For wifi get Ubiquiti Unifi Access Points

Separates also means some re-usability if you switch home or provider or technology in the future so a worthwhile investment. If you want the convenience of the all in one then the TP-Link and Draytek recommendations already in here I think are pretty decent.
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BigT is there any routers combos that you would recommend?
 
It's been a while since I've used one so I'm not best placed to recommend. Over the years I haven't really had trouble with anything from Asus, TP-Link or Draytek but probably better that those with recent experience of specific models make recommendations. Every manufacturer has a duff model now and again.

Possibly also one of these routers with a flashed open source firmware like DDWRT or Tomato might be a good choice here, but again I only know what I've read on the internet about these things rather than being able to give personal recommendations.
 
Defiant306 said:
Firstly, never heard of Pinemedia until today and also they don't provide a service to me... well it doesn't look like it as they list areas of England for the service and they wont take my post code in Scotland.

Secondly to answer your question this is what iDNET advises for the service: With our pro-gaming broadband package, your data traffic is given priority (24/7) at the exchange over standard DSL traffic and No contention, No throttling, No traffic shaping, No port blocking and No data caps
Static ip4 and a block of ip6 address as well.

Also the £120 charge is for some situations such as migration from an unbundled connection, I believe they have to pay open reach to change it at the exchange for the likes of SKY and co who have their own kit racked in each exchange.
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Im not sure how they can do that tbh? So all idnet traffic is given priority at the exchange. What does that even mean? Surely they have thier own hardware at the exchange so that kinda makes zero sense.
Plusnet do the same for gaming except thet traffic shape all p2p and some other stuff in peak hours but gaming traffic never gets shaped and has priority on thier network. Throttling is something vm do not sure about others at peak times. No data caps dont they all say this now? Static ip cost what 5 quid for as long as you have a service. Tbh mate ur being charged a lot for nothing much than what other isp offer. It may be ever so slightly better but probably not noticble. Pine media offer all that you listed tbh and i get get it cheaper sub 20ms pings and dont offer upto speeds what you pay for is what you get. Ive talked to a lot of pine media customers via facebook who rate them highly. I go go vm facebook and all i see angry upset customers lol. Just be sure your not getting ripped off is all mate.
 
Used to resell iDNet back in the day where they struggled providing broadband during the olympics :D

I pay £30 for 80/20 Sky Pro BB with the ability to change line profiles etc.
 
Standard BT infinity typically gives me a ping of 9, I fail to believe any other FTTC ISP can do significantly better than that.
 
bremen1874 said:
Are online games really implemented in way that having a marginally faster ping provides a noticeable advantage?
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On adsl2 tech i used to get around 72 -88 ms ping in dota 2 and i could tell difference from hosting a lobby and everything was instant. Click to move and using skills etc. Now on fttc amd get 32-38ms ping and its noticable to adsl2 as it feel more responsive. Im guessing going much lower than this wont have a major impact bit if i can get lower then why not. If it gives me an advantage then yea. If you play a mmo and it requires weapon switching and chaining certain skills getting your ping as low as possible makes a difference. Ever little helps.
Only some online games it wont make a difference. Hearthstone for example turn based games. Some rts games probably are not as ping dependant.
But if i can get lower pings and less jitter its a priority for me vs extra speed. I can cope with upto 80meg speeds ive coped with upto 40 for a while.
 
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