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Vega 64 versus GTX 1080

pieman109

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I've got the upgrade itch (and the cream the chemist gave me isn't working) so I fancy having a go with a Vega 64 seeing as they've dropped in price a bit in comparison to a while back. I also fancy trying out freesync next year as lotsa ppl here really rate it, and G-sync is just too pricey for me to consider. Now, I've seen a few benchies on the interweb comparing the vega 64 to a 1080 and 2070 and I'm wondering what the "real world" gaming difference is, taking into account this undervolting thingy (which I happened to do to the fury based Nano I had a while back so I sorta understand that).
So....is the 64 worth it in the real world for gaming over the 1080/2070?

Edit: I realise there is a Vega 64 thread running but i didn't fancy the idea of going through the whole thread to try and find out what I need.
 
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To my knowledge performance wise using latest drivers for all in current games I'd expect the cards to line up as follows:

1. Vega 64
2. 1080
3. 2070

Also don't forget to look at 1070Ti, that also trades blows with 2070 and cost far less.

Yes if considering freesync then the Vega is a very sound choice.
 
One thing thats been at the back of my mind is power requirements. I have a cooler mater V700 psu which, going by reviews that I can find, comes out very highly regarded, and offering very stable voltages, but, mine is at least 5 years old. I checked the voltages in the bios and all seems fine but I still can't shake off the thought that it might not be good enough due to it's age.
I would obviously be undervolting so that would ease the power requirements from the psu.
 
Vega will consume the least power if you undervolt it which they all love by the way and actually boost high and run cooler when you do so. :)
 
A quality psu can last a decade. I've only just retired my 7 year old Corsair HX620 and that was only because I was offered a very good deal on an 850X :)
I'm also currently debating which of these cards to go for so interested in responses here.
 
pieman109 said:
I've got the upgrade itch (and the cream the chemist gave me isn't working) so I fancy having a go with a Vega 64 seeing as they've dropped in price a bit in comparison to a while back. I also fancy trying out freesync next year as lotsa ppl here really rate it, and G-sync is just too pricey for me to consider. Now, I've seen a few benchies on the interweb comparing the vega 64 to a 1080 and 2070 and I'm wondering what the "real world" gaming difference is, taking into account this undervolting thingy (which I happened to do to the fury based Nano I had a while back so I sorta understand that).
So....is the 64 worth it in the real world for gaming over the 1080/2070?

Edit: I realise there is a Vega 64 thread running but i didn't fancy the idea of going through the whole thread to try and find out what I need.
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The ROG Strix Vega 64 at £410 was a steal during Black Friday, the main benefit is that FreeSync is becoming ubiquitous and even Intel have indicated their support for it, whereas nVidia G-Sync is proprietary and monitors cost more due to them having a dedicated module.

The Vega 64 and GTX1080 trade blows in different titles, there are some good comparisons such as on the Hardware Unboxed channel but “stock” the GTX1080 is a smidge faster.

There are lots of Vega owners who report excellent results by undervolting though.

As an aside, in another post I discussed selling my GTX1080ti and picking up the ROG Strix Vega 64 but was vilified by the fanboys.
 
Freesync/adaptivesync is finding it's way in to TVs as well as consoles want to use it. So you can have a huge TV to play on using freesync :)
 
The one I've got me eye on is the gigabyte versh as its the cheapest. I'd really like to see some up to date youtube reviews of the vega 64 with undervolting, considering the new low price of it now, and the insane prices of the 1080/1080ti. All the reviews were done some time ago when the vega 64 was horrendously expensive and the 1080/ti was reasonably cheap, so they did the comparison based on the most expensive card from AMD and Nvidia, and this shows the vega 64 trailing the 1080ti by a considerable margin. Now, the prices have literally reversed, and the 1080ti is horrendously expensive now and the vega 64 is the same price as a 1070ti or thereabouts, which now shows the vega 64 to be a real bargain and offering good performance when undervolted
 
At the current prices Vega is the obvoius option, add a freesync monitor and it's a no brainer really.

I'd take Vega64 plus freesync monitor over a gtx2080ti all day.
 
jigger said:
At the current prices Vega is the obvoius option, add a freesync monitor and it's a no brainer really.

I'd take Vega64 plus freesync monitor over a gtx2080ti all day.
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Nah brand new 2080ti, sell for £1k or more. Buy Vega 64 with decent Freesync monitor, you probably also have some spare cash at the end. Then you go to the nearest church and pray it just works instead of burning down the buyers house.
 
As someone who went from a GTX 1080 to a Vega 64 I can't harp on enough about how good it is when paired with a freesync monitor.

When I bought my monitor freesync was just a nice extra I might use in the future, but after using it, I do struggle a little to enjoy gaming as much when I for example hop over to the secondary PC which - this week anyway - has a GTX 1070.

If freesync is not in the equation though, I would say I've noticed that the V64 generally has better lower framerates than the 1080 did at the same settings, so in some games that average less the percentile lows were higher.
 
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Vega will consume the least power if you undervolt it which they all love by the way and actually boost high and run cooler when you do so. :)
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Having recently bought a ‘56’ and done the above yes it completely works!

But why didn’t AMD do this out of the box? Instead they endured a ton of ‘correct’ but poor reviews concerning noise/heat/power.

Surely after watching a few YouTube videos I’m not better than AMD’s own engineers to set their cards up?
 
They seemed to do it with all their cards for some reason. I had my rx480 using less power than a 1060 but the default was something silly like 1130mv.
 
Brazo said:
Having recently bought a ‘56’ and done the above yes it completely works!

But why didn’t AMD do this out of the box? Instead they endured a ton of ‘correct’ but poor reviews concerning noise/heat/power.

Surely after watching a few YouTube videos I’m not better than AMD’s own engineers to set their cards up?
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Personally < shrug > I have no idea, and some reviewers last year went and put the floor voltage to 1200 doing their benches, which greatly hampered the performance due to the sheer amount of heat.
Vega needs to cut 140mv from P6 and 125mv from P7 states. Set floor voltage to 1000. PL to 40-50% and OC HBM to 1050 at least (1100 better). Finally set Target temp 65C. (yes should be set lower)
The power goes down, and the performance improves quite a lot.

Yet no clock changes :p
 
As I said earlier on in me post, I had a Fury based , R9 "Nano" about 18 months ago or thereabouts and that card reacted real well to undervolting. The issue was iirc was that it would throttle severely when overclocked even slightly due to the heat generated. Undervolting cured this quite a bit due to not as much heat being generated 'cos of the lower voltage, which meant more higher overclocks could be achieved and stable too. If this is the same situation with vega 56/64 (excessive heat causing throttling), how would a 56/64 perform with say a Kraken and corsair H55 type cooler fitted fitted with a large enough heat spreader to cover the HBM memory.
 
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