Vettel to Ferrari in 2014?
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Hamilton must be kicking himself unless his contract has performance related clauses.
exactly what I was thinking this morning - although this announcement isnt really confirming anything regarding Vettel for 2014 (because of performance clauses mentioned)
LH was a little ****** ever since his contract finished a year earlier than the new regs. He couldnt afford to go to a mid team for a single year to wait for the best options to clear up (and dont forget when LH signed his expiring contract, 2013 was meant to be the new engine regs - however I seem to recall them being put back a year to 2014)
Vettel is a mad man, I think it's pretty clear that there's no better driver at extracting and adapting a nervous car than Alonso. It's also pretty clear Newey and his team are the best on the grid.
Leaving Red Bull to go to Ferrari as a team leader would be a challenge in itself. Not beating Alonso on the way will just confirm what most already think. He should just keep breaking records at Red Bull until Alonso retires.
Leaving Red Bull to go to Ferrari as a team leader would be a challenge in itself. Not beating Alonso on the way will just confirm what most already think. He should just keep breaking records at Red Bull until Alonso retires.
I'm not convinced RBR are going to be a long term success. Sure they are the top of the crop at the moment, but will they still be there in 5 or 10 years? The 2 teams that have been at the top consistently are Ferrari and McLaren. I think this has been on the cards for a while, field by Ferrari's search for a 1 year deal for Massas seat.
In the short term I bet Lewis is annoyed, but hopefully Mercedes will turn around for him.
This does mean there will be 2 seats up for grabs at RBR in 2014 though.
In the short term I bet Lewis is annoyed, but hopefully Mercedes will turn around for him.
This does mean there will be 2 seats up for grabs at RBR in 2014 though.
There will be an almighty scramble for atleast one of those. They could keep webber still on another one year deal and feed in a riskier option.
Button to Red Bull in 2014, you heard it here first
Red Bull could have a great car in 2014 and no top line driver to run in it.
Button to Red Bull in 2014, you heard it here first
Red Bull could have a great car in 2014 and no top line driver to run in it.
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Best way I can see this going would be for Hamilton to perhaps take the RBR seat (see it as unlikely though due to the merc deal).
Will be fantastic watching Alonso kicking Vettel's butt though confirming he is the better driver...
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Will be fantastic watching Alonso kicking Vettel's butt though confirming he is the better driver...
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Does this mean that Ferrari fans who don't like Vettel will be urging Ferrari to do badly next year 
If Vettel does join I would assume Alonso would still be number 1, which will be interesting as I'm fully expecting Vettel to be a 4 time WDC by then.
If Vettel does join I would assume Alonso would still be number 1, which will be interesting as I'm fully expecting Vettel to be a 4 time WDC by then.
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Hamilton isn't 45 years old, he could go to Merc for 3 years, hell, 5 years, then go and win 5 titles in a move back to Mclaren, Ferrari, Red bull, Lotus, who the hell knows.
Again I'll point out there are loads of quality drivers, driver titles are more down to luck than anything else. When Alonso went to Ferrari did most people think Red Bull would be the dominant car for the next few years. Did Vettel expect to go to RBR and win three titles on the trot, no, its luck as much as anything else.
Drivers have a job, its driving the car as best as possible, Vettel could spend a decade at Ferrari and win nothing, or win 10 titles, every year he'll drive his best and get paid a wage.
Joe Bloggs could take a crappy receptionist job at google a decade ago and end up a millionaire, or take a job at one of the 1,000,000 other internet start ups and be without a job now. Everything is luck, Hamilton has secured a better job, Vettel has (probably)secured a better job. Ultimately those who win titles and those who don't put the same work in, do the same job, race the same races and live the same lives, are the same quality of driver.
If Merc doesn't work out, I see Hamilton moving on and if he gets lucky it will be to a car that ends up having a title capable car, if not he'll get rich, live a great life and die happy either way.
Vettel I think will have a worse time at Ferrari than staying at RBR, he'll get eaten alive by Alonso. If he stayed at RBR for a decade with no 1 status, win no titles and most people will still decide he's a brilliant driver, move to Ferrari and lose to Alonso every time, be confirmed as not the best driver. Which is why I'm impressed by Vettel if he goes to Ferrari, it would suggest hes more interested in proving he can beat Alonso than taking the easy seat at RBR.... that or he just cares about the money.
Again I'll point out there are loads of quality drivers, driver titles are more down to luck than anything else. When Alonso went to Ferrari did most people think Red Bull would be the dominant car for the next few years. Did Vettel expect to go to RBR and win three titles on the trot, no, its luck as much as anything else.
Drivers have a job, its driving the car as best as possible, Vettel could spend a decade at Ferrari and win nothing, or win 10 titles, every year he'll drive his best and get paid a wage.
Joe Bloggs could take a crappy receptionist job at google a decade ago and end up a millionaire, or take a job at one of the 1,000,000 other internet start ups and be without a job now. Everything is luck, Hamilton has secured a better job, Vettel has (probably)secured a better job. Ultimately those who win titles and those who don't put the same work in, do the same job, race the same races and live the same lives, are the same quality of driver.
If Merc doesn't work out, I see Hamilton moving on and if he gets lucky it will be to a car that ends up having a title capable car, if not he'll get rich, live a great life and die happy either way.
Vettel I think will have a worse time at Ferrari than staying at RBR, he'll get eaten alive by Alonso. If he stayed at RBR for a decade with no 1 status, win no titles and most people will still decide he's a brilliant driver, move to Ferrari and lose to Alonso every time, be confirmed as not the best driver. Which is why I'm impressed by Vettel if he goes to Ferrari, it would suggest hes more interested in proving he can beat Alonso than taking the easy seat at RBR.... that or he just cares about the money.
They said that about Villeneuve in 99, trouble is new drivers come along and shine in other better cars and you are yesterdays news. It doesn't do much for desire either. You can keep it going for a couple of years as Jacques did in 2000 then you realise your time has passed.
Who knows who will come along or rise to the top but 3 years in the midfield winning nothing won't do him any favours securing a different top line drive. It might not matter I'm sure his team will have a get out to go to red bull if Mercedes suck, performance clauses will be there on both sides I'm sure.
Ah, forgot about Kimi. Good shout.
What I don't understand is if there is any truth to the rumour about vettel why LDM is denying it. Alonso will know, they won't hide that from him and massa knows what he is. LDM said recently he doesn't want two no1's.
Surely if they were on the verge of taking red bulls prize possession they would be happy right now to let the team know.
Surely if they were on the verge of taking red bulls prize possession they would be happy right now to let the team know.
Silly move IMO for as long as rbr will be in the sport they are will pour in the money.
Only reason to do this would be personal. Ie.
He wants to drive for ferrari
He wants to prove He can beat alonso.. Would be interesting that.
I'd like to see two top drivers in same team, look at alonso and Hamilton (lol)
Would be perfect for kimi to go to rbr, but tbh would he fit there?
Only reason to do this would be personal. Ie.
He wants to drive for ferrari
He wants to prove He can beat alonso.. Would be interesting that.
I'd like to see two top drivers in same team, look at alonso and Hamilton (lol)
Would be perfect for kimi to go to rbr, but tbh would he fit there?
If its based on team performance next year then its far from a done deal, which may explain why Ferrari don't want to shout about it.
Kimi will fit right in with the layed back Red Bull culture. I think I read that the number of contractual PR days Vettel has is in low single figures, compared to 40+ that the McLaren drivers have.
