Viewsonic VX2025wm or the Dell 2007WFP........again!
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igors said:HuhThat's pretty much strange if it's so severe, even in desktop mode. I just posted the monitor testing links for some user in another thread. Try this:
FlatpanelsDK monitor test:
http://tft.vanity.dk/
Try to run:
- Gradient test
- Grey shades reproduction
Monitor greyscale & gamma test:
http://www.drycreekphoto.com/Learn/...or_gradient.htm
What do you see? Is it really that bad ?
I get vertical lines at the left hand side of my screen where it's darkest, is there meant to be no lines whatsoever or only a small amount?
That last link I'm getting 404 error message.
What should I do?
Thanks.
The banding is much more apparent in darker shades on the 2407WFP's. Have you tried calibrating your monitor and then testing the banding? Does it actually even make any difference in real use? I doubt many people would ever really use gradients in practice, and i think a lot of owners of TFT's would be surprised if they ran gradient tests on their screens 
Actually, ther isn't monitor in existence (in this class) who is capable to reproduce the impecable darker shades. However, important thing is that this doesn't affect the normal usage.James81 said:
Your picture doesn't look that bad ... is that screen capture ? If yes, that can't tell us muchJames81 said:
Maybe your monitor is really not properly calibrated and you contrast is not properly adjusted according to the colour temperature. Try to deactivate the monitor calibration wizard (as it's adjusting the video card colour profile), switch the monitor to desktop mode, select native or sRGB colour mode (on the monitor) and open the test page again. Try to adjust your monitor contrast while looking at the gradient and at the same time see if you can find the sweep spot with less or barely visible banding.
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Amazing, I switched the Monitor Calibration Wizard off and there is NO banding whatsoever either in the greyscale thing or the colour one. 
I wondered why I didn't notice it when I first got the monitor when I checked but did see it after I had been calibrating it.
Anyone care to explain to me what happend because I thought callibrating the monitor was meant to improve the screen?
Thanks for all this.
I wondered why I didn't notice it when I first got the monitor when I checked but did see it after I had been calibrating it.
Anyone care to explain to me what happend because I thought callibrating the monitor was meant to improve the screen?
Thanks for all this.
it should help, but incorrect calibration can lead to accentuation of things like banding and poor contrast, excessive brightness. Get it set up to something you feel comfortable with and that should be fine. Glad you have fixed it!
Now you are talking! I was slightly worried that MCW is causing the trouble and this was the reason why I suggested that you deactivate it at first place and leave the monitor in well defined, let's say standard state.James81 said:Amazing, I switched the Monitor Calibration Wizard off and there is NO banding whatsoever either in the greyscale thing or the colour one.
Now, if you rewind the previous page and find my reply to Fatfish about the banding problems ... you will understand my concern about the public statements. Of course - no offense to you.
Well, it can improve things if done properly. If not, many side effects are possible. If RGB calibration is not good, neutral colours will show a colour cast. Improper contrast and brightness can damage the colour shades and gradients (typically darker midtones), introduce colour compression, blowing out fine shadow details (too low brightness) and wash out shadows (too high brightness).James81 said:I wondered why I didn't notice it when I first got the monitor when I checked but did see it after I had been calibrating it.
Anyone care to explain to me what happend because I thought callibrating the monitor was meant to improve the screen?
On the other hand, proper colour calibration will give you less colour saturation, colours will have better contrast against each other and more surprisingly even text reading via clear type will be better and even antialiasing in games will be improved slightly. In essence, monitor will show full potentional.
With the WYSIWYG calibration method, major problem is that you have to have the good eye. Another problem is that sometimes your eye can trick you what may seem to be the "natural colour". Third problem is that you need a LOT of patience and at the same time it's very harsh to your eyes and final results are usually questionable.
No probsJames81 said:
Ok, I'm convinced - the 2007WFP is definately the monitor for me! Considering James81's only issue seemed to be with the banding (which was my last concern) and you guys have basically fixed it in a handful of posts, my worries are no more! Don't think I'll even wait for Badass's comparison! Thanks again guys.
...and I just have to add, this is possibly the most civilsed forum I've ever been on! Very impressed with everyones friendly and informative responses. It's a pleasure to be part of it.
...and I just have to add, this is possibly the most civilsed forum I've ever been on! Very impressed with everyones friendly and informative responses. It's a pleasure to be part of it.
Fatfish said:Ok, I'm convinced - the 2007WFP is definately the monitor for me! Considering James81's only issue seemed to be with the banding (which was my last concern) and you guys have basically fixed it in a handful of posts, my worries are no more! Don't think I'll even wait for Badass's comparison! Thanks again guys.
...and I just have to add, this is possibly the most civilsed forum I've ever been on! Very impressed with everyones friendly and informative responses. It's a pleasure to be part of it.
no worries. It's a well policed site (even if i do say so myself
) and there's a good bunch of people who are always happy to help From my brief usage of the the Dell 2007FP, it's an excellent TFT with excellent colour production and very good picture quality. Be warned though if you have any number of dead pixels on the screen you might have serious problems getting either a replacement from Dell or your money back from the retailer.
Mine came with a dead pixel, it totally spoilt the enjoyment of having the screen to the point I really couldn't tolerate it ant longer. It doesn't look like either party is going to help in my situation even though I gave so much of my hard earned money to fund it.
I suppose you'll get the same problem with any brand, it just depends on the policies the manufacturer or retailer holds.
Mine came with a dead pixel, it totally spoilt the enjoyment of having the screen to the point I really couldn't tolerate it ant longer. It doesn't look like either party is going to help in my situation even though I gave so much of my hard earned money to fund it.
I suppose you'll get the same problem with any brand, it just depends on the policies the manufacturer or retailer holds.
I thought Dell provided a dead pixel warranty if it was all black or all white? And if it was just a stuck pixel, then I assumed the usual '7/8 stuck pixel rule' applied? Am I wrong in this? Perhaps I'm thinking of Viewsonic's policy?
So Dell refuse to exchange for you? I can understand the retailer not doing it perhaps, but the manufacturer should (imo).
Does 1 dead pixel really spoil the display that much for you? Saying that, I know what it's like - when you've got one, you can't stop staring at it. Thankfully my experience of this is only on my work TFT and not my own one at home. As you've said though, you've paid your hard earned cash in good faith for the item, and as such should be satisfied with the quality.
While I appreciate that dead/stuck pixels are an unfortunate but often unavoidable downside to TFT technology, manufacturers really should revise their policies on this. I would agree that on a TFT used for standard office work (which probably constitutes the majority of monitors out there today), 7/8 dead pixels might be acceptable. But with so many people using them for home entertainment nowadays (and with them still costing a pretty penny), users should be able to buy with complete reassurance that the product will be unblemished - especially considering that a monitor is the main interface when using a computer (alongside keyboards and mice obviously) and which is supposedly designed to provide graphical fidelity!
TFT technology may be new in comparison to the history of the home computer, but it's been around long enough now for the manufacturers to have tweaked their processes to avoid this kind of issue.
I feel for you mate! There's always the old, remove a pin from the DVI port on the back and call it in as a fault!!
Also, with regard to Distance Selling Regulations, surely you don't know whether it's the right item for you until you've opened the box and tested it? In a shop you'd at least have the opportunity to see it running prior to purchase.
/rant over
So Dell refuse to exchange for you? I can understand the retailer not doing it perhaps, but the manufacturer should (imo).
Does 1 dead pixel really spoil the display that much for you? Saying that, I know what it's like - when you've got one, you can't stop staring at it. Thankfully my experience of this is only on my work TFT and not my own one at home. As you've said though, you've paid your hard earned cash in good faith for the item, and as such should be satisfied with the quality.
While I appreciate that dead/stuck pixels are an unfortunate but often unavoidable downside to TFT technology, manufacturers really should revise their policies on this. I would agree that on a TFT used for standard office work (which probably constitutes the majority of monitors out there today), 7/8 dead pixels might be acceptable. But with so many people using them for home entertainment nowadays (and with them still costing a pretty penny), users should be able to buy with complete reassurance that the product will be unblemished - especially considering that a monitor is the main interface when using a computer (alongside keyboards and mice obviously) and which is supposedly designed to provide graphical fidelity!
TFT technology may be new in comparison to the history of the home computer, but it's been around long enough now for the manufacturers to have tweaked their processes to avoid this kind of issue.
I feel for you mate! There's always the old, remove a pin from the DVI port on the back and call it in as a fault!!
Also, with regard to Distance Selling Regulations, surely you don't know whether it's the right item for you until you've opened the box and tested it? In a shop you'd at least have the opportunity to see it running prior to purchase.
/rant over
Just emailed Dell customer service for a response on the dead/stuck pixel policy. Have requested a full copy of any warranties relating to this item when bought either direct from Dell or through a 3rd party retailer. Made a point of highlighting their legal responsibility and obligation to provide this info to potential customers prior to their purchase. Will be interesting to see if I get anything back or whether it'll be filed in the round filing cabinet!
If I do get an answer, I'll post it up for anyone that's interested.
If I do get an answer, I'll post it up for anyone that's interested.
It's funny you should ask that - I wondered exactly the same this morning. I checked my emails and sure enough, there was a reply from Dell...........saying message undeliverable! I took the email address from their customer service contact page!!! Should have expected it from them really - no suprises there! 
However, a further search of the Dell community forum uncovered this:
Dell Monitor FAQ's
Follow the link for 'Dell Stuck Pixel Policy'. Clearly outlines that 6 or more dead/stuck pixels or more than a few in a small area qualifies as an exchangeable product.
However, I seem to think that some people on this forum have managed to get their montiors exchanged with just one dead pixel - can anyone confirm?
Might be useful if you were to start a new thread asking that question specifically. Feel free to include my link above if you do - and as I'm going to be waiting a few more weeks for the cash, if you do order one from them, any chance you can get this policy confirmed by them and let me know? Thanks.
However, a further search of the Dell community forum uncovered this:
Dell Monitor FAQ's
Follow the link for 'Dell Stuck Pixel Policy'. Clearly outlines that 6 or more dead/stuck pixels or more than a few in a small area qualifies as an exchangeable product.
However, I seem to think that some people on this forum have managed to get their montiors exchanged with just one dead pixel - can anyone confirm?
Might be useful if you were to start a new thread asking that question specifically. Feel free to include my link above if you do - and as I'm going to be waiting a few more weeks for the cash, if you do order one from them, any chance you can get this policy confirmed by them and let me know? Thanks.