Violent protests London

black lives matter is fairly dubious in the US as it is, it is utterly ridiculous in the UK

while I think there is clearly a need to address some of the police brutality in the US they're not massively disproportionately killing blacks given the actual stats on police encounters with blacks and whites and some of the cases picked by them to support are a bit questionable

in the UK having such a movement is almost farcical, we have very few police shootings or deaths - and as the OP points out this was a drug dealer being actively pursued by the police, he wasn't shot, he wasn't beaten Rodney King style and he could have chosen to comply and give himself up... I don't think tackling him to the ground and using force to arrest him has anything to do with racism

some people simply kick off and want to cause violence out of misguided anger/perceptions and will jump on any number of causes as an excuse to do it
 
Jimbeam3678 said:
It really isn't simple, if you genuinely think this is country is very fragmented I suggest you research Australia NT & WA or parts of America. There was about 30 people max at that "riot" the Daily Mail never let small things like fact get in the way of a headline especially if its in London and has something to do with race.
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I never mentioned any other country, I was talking about the UK and it's problems. Talking about other countries is deflecting the argument.
 
do_ron_ron said:
I never mentioned any other country, I was talking about the UK and it's problems. Talking about other countries is deflecting the argument.
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My point was this country really isn't fragmented and used other countries to help illustrate what a fragmented country really is, did I really have to spell it out:(
 
Caged said:
Maybe one country is fragmented but others are more fragmented. Crazy thoughts.
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Signature does check out in this case:p

Seems GD is picky this Saturday, my point is you could argue fragmentation can be seen in most countries at various levels, the original comment was the UK was very fragmented. I argued it isn't and to look to at Australia and/or parts of America to see what very fragmented countries look like.

Phew hopefully, what I thought was a fairly simple comment is now clear:)
 
Jimbeam3678 said:
My point was this country really isn't fragmented and used other countries to help illustrate what a fragmented country really is, did I really have to spell it out:(
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Try sticking to the posting instead of wandering off on a tangent. The country is very, very fragmented. Using other countries with different cultures as an example of the UK is irrelevant.
 
Caged said:
It feels very divided relative to only a few years ago.
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I don't think it is all that different from a few years ago. The brexit divide is there I guess but most people have just accepted the result and are getting on with their lives. Politics is more partisan than it was for some, but this only really matters at election time.

Hell even income inequality has come down so everyone should be happier... :D
 
School holidays the kids are bored so they join in the riots and smash everything up.

Although I cant really understand why for this one the guy swalloed what appears to be drugs hardly the Police fault.
 
do_ron_ron said:
... The country is very, very fragmented. Using other countries with different cultures as an example of the UK is irrelevant.
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I'd say on the whole the country is quite stable but there are pockets of 'fragmentation', hence all the 'riots' seem to occur in the same demographic urban areas.
 
I think it's fair to say that neither the coppers, the protesters, the people who want to shoot them nor the drug dealers exist in isolation of the system they grew up and operate in. Your personal circumstances and social capital also then dictate how you respond and try to change the system. It also may be the case that the victims aren't nice people and the coppers aren't cherubs either, with a very human room for accidents and stupidity aplenty; but without the inquest everyone is flinging bias either carried over from the election drive, most recent disaster, media twist or personal life. As to fragmentation, there are two intuitive rules of thumb: are the outcomes proportional for everyone; is everyone acting rationally all the time, and hence variation is pure chance? In our society and others, the answers are no and no, hence division along outcomes, potential, power and identity locked on to restrictive economic paths by actions of others. Though to our credit, we still live in a society where one can protest and coppers react not clobber anyone matching an undesirable profile just because. More can always be done to improve things: better economy; less stressed and more numerous police; better drug legislation; study and erosion of prejudice and systematic bias; etc.
 
datalol-jack said:
I think it's fair to say that neither the coppers, the protesters, the people who want to shoot them nor the drug dealers exist in isolation of the system they grew up and operate in. Your personal circumstances and social capital also then dictate how you respond and try to change the system. It also may be the case that the victims aren't nice people and the coppers aren't cherubs either, with a very human room for accidents and stupidity aplenty; but without the inquest everyone is flinging bias either carried over from the election drive, most recent disaster, media twist or personal life. As to fragmentation, there are two intuitive rules of thumb: are the outcomes proportional for everyone; is everyone acting rationally all the time, and hence variation is pure chance? In our society and others, the answers are no and no, hence division along outcomes, potential, power and identity locked on to restrictive economic paths by actions of others. Though to our credit, we still live in a society where one can protest and coppers react not clobber anyone matching an undesirable profile just because. More can always be done to improve things: better economy; less stressed and more numerous police; better drug legislation; study and erosion of prejudice and systematic bias; etc.
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This is the X-Men film I want to love but can't imagine. I'm joking - I can't afford a TV haha but no, send food stamps.
 
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