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LordSplodge said:
Funny how I don't have any of these kinds of problems on my Macs? :D
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Apart from having to spend hundreds if not thousands on over priced, under performing, proprietry hardware to run OSX. It's easy to discount an OS and not worry about it's use when you force the customer to buy your own hardware in order to run it. The day you can buy a copy of OSX Leopard from OCUK and install it legally on any PC i'll take your Apple comparisson more seriously. And you call MS licensing terms restrictive LOL...

For Vista (assuming you've had a PC with an OS before) you can always buy the Home Premium upgrade for ~£120 with no restrictions on reinstalls or upgrades. OEM is a cheaper option but comes with a limitation which reflects the relative price. You just choose the version appropriate to your needs.

All people here can do is explain the facts, if you choose to be dishonest that's entirely a choice for you, at least have the B***s to say it how it is rather than try and justify yourself by blaming the publishers.

Let's not forget that whilst you find it easy to blame MS as the evil empire, you actually seem to have no compunction in doing people like OCUK out of money despite seeming to enjoy the forums they provide you for free. /shrug

The majority of people choose to be honest and buy the correct license for what they want, you advocate being dishonest. Your choice entirely but not the choice i'd make i'm afraid.
 
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Fire Wizard said:
Hello LordSplodge,

If you change your motherboard more than three times, then you will benefit from purchasing the Retail license copy of Windows Vista since you can buy three OEM license copies of Windows Vista for around the same price as one Retail license copy. :)
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Looks like I will invest in the Retail Vista then when I am ready to make the move...some time after the release of SP1.

What bothers me is the way you buy a copy of Vista to install on your computer and all of a sudden Microsoft try to tell you what you can an cannot do with it. Surely as long as you don't install it on multiple machines then what is the problem? Why does changing a motherboard mean you need a new copy of Vista? I don't get it. It is like buying an Audio CD and not being able to rip it. Surely you should be able to copy the music to your PC just like you should be able to install Vista on your PC regardless of the internal hardware.

I am a fairly moral man but I disagree with the Vista licensing and so have no qualms in "acquiring" a copy if needs be. I'd prefer to buy but the expense of retail over OEM puts me off.

I paid £5 for OSX Leopard, can I not get Vista Premium for this price? ;) :p
 
Thanks for replying guys...

well, I have only one PC and I bought XP and Vista for it 100% legally. I fail to see how installing the same copy on my ONE computer would be immoral? And what's with the sighs? Its not as if im stealing!

but what your all saying is that with microsofts licencing thingy, it wouldnt be legal?
 
Athanor;10736971 All people here can do is explain the facts said:
I have the balls to admit to playing fast and lose with software licenses. However, the way the Vista versions and licensing has been handled is atrocious and the blame for this falls on Microsoft.

There is only one version os OS X and you can if you want run it on hardware that Apple do not want you to via an EULA run it one but there is no mechanism to stop you.
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Spitfir3 said:
Thanks for replying guys...

well, I have only one PC and I bought XP and Vista for it 100% legally. I fail to see how installing the same copy on my ONE computer would be immoral? And what's with the sighs? Its not as if im stealing!

but what your all saying is that with microsofts licencing thingy, it wouldnt be legal?
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Technically yes, but seeing as the MS Police aren't coming round your house any time soon I wouldn't worry.
 
Hello Spitfir3, If you go out and purchase the OEM license of Windows Vista firstly, you should know and fully understand the licensing terms of that particular license, being; You can change any system component in your system as many times as you wish apart from the motherboard and you will still be licensed. Now you may have to re-activate Windows Vista after a hardware and/or configuration change either by the online process or if it fails for various reasons, you will have to ring them up. If you do have to ring them up and speak with a Microsoft Agent, just tell them the truth, what exactly has happened and they will happily re-activate your copy of Windows for you. You will not be violating the EULA and you are still within your rights to use Windows Vista.

Now if you change your motherboard for a performance upgrade (We are not talking about replacing your motherboard under warranty), then I am afraid you will have to purchase a new copy of Windows Vista (License). If you wish to use the same copy of Windows Vista with your brand new motherboard, the only way you are going to get Windows Vista re-activated is if you ring up Microsoft. You now may be activated but you are certainly no longer licensed and would have just broken the EULA.

You now may say that if Microsoft themselves activated Windows Vista for me, how can I off just violated the terms of the EULA? They gave you a new code because you had lied to them, if you had said the truth that you changed your motherboard for a performance upgrade, they will then say to you, you will have to go out and purchase a new copy of Windows Vista. Their is a certain amount of trust Microsoft give its customers concerning this and if you wish to abuse this then that is up to you.

As you can see, there is a difference between what you can physically do and what you can do legally. :)
 
I bought a bag of bits (inc OEM Vista) from OcUK built it up , it worked :)

A month later the motherboard went pop :(

OcUK replaced it (nice people) :)

Vista said "Pirate fiend , you've changed your hardware , click here to activate it "

I Clicked...........



It activated.

It still works.

If MS do this why should I worry ???

:)
 
Fire Wizard said:
As you can see, there is a difference between what you can physically do and what you can do legally. :)
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Shrink wrap or click through software licenses are not very enforceable though, in fact quite a few courts have found them to be invalid. This is probably why Microsoft will simply give you a re-activation code out when you phone them.

The enforceability of an EULA depends on several factors, one of them being the court in which the case is heard. Some courts that have addressed the validity of the shrinkwrap license agreements have found some EULAs to be invalid, characterizing them as contracts of adhesion, unconscionable. These terms are likely to provide employment security for intellectual-property lawyers for the foreseeable future: in disputes of this nature, cases are often appealed, and different circuit courts of appeal seldom agree,
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mrgubby said:
If MS do this why should I worry ???

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You shouldn't, you replaced the MB under a warranty scheme and are fully licensed.

It's really quite simple, if you want to upgrade, buy retail, but don't winge and whine when you try and skimp off on a cheaper license and then have to lie to MS to get around activation.

And the whole Apple OSX thing really does make me laugh. Apple in some ways are more anti-competitive then MS, yet you seem to not only accept it, but like it. Don't get me wrong, having a closed system that you totally control can give a much better product, but lets not be hypocritical and use the same arguement against MS.

It boils down to whether you are happy running unlicensed software or not, if you are happy spending money on a licence you are going to make worthless then fine, you can lie to MS and no-one will be the wiser.

Burnsy
 
Burnsy2023 said:
You shouldn't, you replaced the MB under a warranty scheme and are fully licensed.

And the whole Apple OSX thing really does make me laugh. Apple in some ways are more anti-competitive then MS, yet you seem to not only accept it, but like it. Don't get me wrong, having a closed system that you totally control can give a much better product, but lets not be hypocritical and use the same arguement against MS.

It boils down to whether you are happy running unlicensed software or not, if you are happy spending money on a licence you are going to make worthless then fine, you can lie to MS and no-one will be the wiser.

Burnsy
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Of don't get me wrong, I fully understand what kind of ruthless company Mr Steve Jobs runs and I don't approve of his business practices especially the iPhone debacle. I was simply pointing out that there is no lockdown or activation on the software and a lot of Apple owners have multiple Macs so could, if they chose to do so, install one copy on multiple machines. Strangely on avergae they don't out of some kind of brand loyalty.

I'd rather, personally, either have no license, as in a pirated and cracked version of Vista (easy to obtain) or a fully licensed retail version that some middle of the road grey area OEM job.

But if somebody did have an incorrect license or a cracked version I would certainly not break out the rolleyes or anything! :) Maybe if they had a working VLK I may ask them nicely for a copy! ;)
 
Burnsy2023 said:
None of the cases mentioned in that article refer to UK or even EU law, so that was a pretty pointless post wasn't it ;)

Burnsy
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I can't help the Wiki's somewhat American bias. I am sure I read somewhere that a similar case applies to the EU. It is also fun sticking my nose in the air at the Holier than Thou OCUK brigade! :p ;)
 
Spitfir3 said:
Thanks for replying guys...

well, I have only one PC and I bought XP and Vista for it 100% legally. I fail to see how installing the same copy on my ONE computer would be immoral? And what's with the sighs? Its not as if im stealing!

but what your all saying is that with microsofts licencing thingy, it wouldnt be legal?
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Well I was sighing because I myself have discussed this at length and so have lots of others and its a waste of effort. Do whatever you feel like. But don't try to persuade these guys of anything because you won't.
 
Like Slam62 has said, this has been discussed to death. You have the facts and the two sides of opinion, the choice is upto you.

I'm going to trot off on my high horse and leave this thread now I think.

Burnsy
 
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