vista upgrade needs xp installed!!!

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Ok I may be a bit slow here and you all may already be aware of this fact but incase you are not

To use an upgrade copy of vista you must already have a validated copy of xp or win 2000 installed on the pc. There will no longer be the option to pop in your shiny xp disk at any time during the install. ( to confirm elegibility for upgrade)
This has been confirmed by a couple of MS peeps over at vista newsgroups.
"buggity, bug, bug bugger" I say.

turbotoes

now here's something I just thought of.

If, when you upgrade, your xp license expires ( gets shifted over to your vista license) how do you re validate that copy of Xp next time you need to reinstall Vista?
 
Something I'm trying to figure out myself.

I just don't know. I have XP Pro which apparently you can't upgrade to Vista Premium? WHY??? I don't like the idea of having to re-install XP every time I want to reinstall Vista.
 
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You "can" upgrade to Vista Home Premium from XP Pro, the problem is that you can't do an "in place" upgrade, you have to instead do a fresh clean install by booting from the Vista Home Premium DVD.

Now the question i have is if you can't use the XP CD at any time during the installation to validate the Vista upgrade, then how do you go about installing the Vista upgrade on a brand new HDD, this would be a real problem because you can't use the XP CD to validate and you also would't have XP installed because you are installing on a brand new HDD.
 
d.chatten said:
You "can" upgrade to Vista Home Premium from XP Pro, the problem is that you can't do an "in place" upgrade, you have to instead do a fresh clean install by booting from the Vista Home Premium DVD.

Now the question i have is if you can't use the XP CD at any time during the installation to validate the Vista upgrade, then how do you go about installing the Vista upgrade on a brand new HDD, this would be a real problem because you can't use the XP CD to validate and you also would't have XP installed because you are installing on a brand new HDD.
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You must install and validate xp on the drive first then proceed to install (upgrade) Vista,

There is no bare disk install with an UPGRADE of Vista.

Not shouting, just trying to be clear. I think it sucks!! :(
 
God, thats awful! MS will get slated for that :eek:
Glad I changed my order to a full retail, had a feeling I'd need it....
 
If this is true I'm sticking with XP. I was hoping to use my copy of XP on another PC once Vista is out but if XP has to be installed and activated every single time I want to install Vista it's going to be a real pain in the backside. :(
 
So much for faster installation. That goes out the Window (excuse the pun :p ) if you have to install AND activate XP/2000 first.
 
I suppose you don't really have to activate XP as there is a 30 day limit.

But this will double the installation time.

Do you reckon it would be possible to have XP installed on another HD and then simply connect it up when you want to reinstall Vista?
 
Dammit, I suppose not.

Microsoft have done it again. I'm going to have enough problems upgrading and re-installing let alone the average computer user. This will double my reinstall time. It's not like i can do an in-place install.
 
Good way for MS to make people consider the full retail instead of upgrade, if it is true of course.

Glad I pre-ordered retail anyway.
 
DDave said:
Good way for MS to make people consider the full retail instead of upgrade, if it is true of course.

Glad I pre-ordered retail anyway.
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Its just soo god dam expensive.

I just don't know, I will upgrade my computer loads in the future. Maybe I should just get a really good Mobo which i'll keep for a year or two and get Vista OEM. Save a lot of hassle in the future.
 
This is probably just a move to counter all those Long John Silver versions of XP out there. MS doesn't want those users saving money on a version of Vista. Like all of these sorts of measures it's those who own the genuine versions who really feel the pain.

I honestly can't bring myself to pay over £200 for the full version of Vista Home Premium. I play nearly all of my games on consoles these days and this could be the last straw. Maybe it's time to consider a Mac. :confused:
 
I want to play DX10 games but there is no way in paying that sort of money.

Well done Microsoft, you've managed it again. You could have got more money out of me if it was easier to use the upgrade version, but no now i'm just buying an OEM.
 
I found this on another website (The Register) and again if it's true it's disgusting.

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But I'll bet that most of my readers are exactly the kinds of people that end up buying retail copies of Windows and installing them on many different machines - or virtual machines, as I discussed above. Windows Activation, introduced with Windows XP, insures that you don't install the same copy of Windows on more than one machine at a time. That's fine - annoying, but fine. But clause 15 of the new Vista EULA - "REASSIGN TO ANOTHER DEVICE" - goes way beyond that.

a. Software Other than Windows Anytime Upgrade. The first user of the software may reassign the license to another device one time. If you reassign the license, that other device becomes the "licensed device."
b. Windows Anytime Upgrade Software. The first user of the software may reassign the license to another device one time, but only if the license terms of the software you upgraded from allows reassignment.

As I read this, you go to the store and buy a copy of Vista, which you install on a PC you had in your office. A year later, another PC becomes available that's a bit more up to date, so you decide to transfer your Vista license to that machine.

You're now finished with that Vista license. Done. Game over, man. Whether you shelled out $199 for Home Basic or broke the bank with the $399 Ultimate makes no difference. You've reassigned the license twice, and that's all that Microsoft allows.

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I upgraded my PC at least four times during XP's lifespan. If I can only change my PC once without having to buy another copy of Vista (and I'm on about the retail version here) it's plain crazy and MS can sod off.
 
Does "use the Vista upgrade" mean I can perform a clean install? XP allows you to reformat the hard disc you are installing to, is there a similar option in Vista install?
 
RobP said:
Does "use the Vista upgrade" mean I can perform a clean install? XP allows you to reformat the hard disc you are installing to, is there a similar option in Vista install?
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with vista upgrade a "clean install" means an overwritten fresh xp install,
step one - reformat and install xp,
step two - validate xp,
step three - install vista upgrade.
rinse and repeat everytime Yep every time you want ( need ) to reinstall vista (this only concerns the upgrade version)

turbotoes
 
turbotoes said:
with vista upgrade a "clean install" means an overwritten fresh xp install,
step one - reformat and install xp,
step two - validate xp,
step three - install vista upgrade.
rinse and repeat everytime Yep every time you want ( need ) to reinstall vista (this only concerns the upgrade version)

turbotoes
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Or just install Vista and take an Image, makes more sense no?

Burnsy
 
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