VM Upstream Traffic Management Trial 1st of February

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This is actually good news for me. The area I'm in is horrendously oversubscribed, and high upload utilisation (read students filesharing) knackers the connection near or on peak times.

Looks like it's only for P2P traffic, so since I don't torrent etc that's fine. Maybe I'll be able to game online properly again!
 
New VM adverts go something like this

Buy our unlimited up 50mb Internet, download movies, games and tv shows!!! Do everything you want on the web faster!!*


*except at peak times, no mass uploading, no p2p either, if you go over your cap you will have a terrible connection. You know what, just Facebook and twitter from now ok?
 
To be fair, 95% of P2P is illegal stuff so capping it for the rest of the us can only be a good thing. I realise that this also affects 5% of legit users, but I'm guessing most legit users don't continually use that much bandwidth during peak time.
 
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Yep go after the easy ones first .... the P2P ... they will get round to you soon enough
 
Tweaker said:
New VM adverts go something like this

Buy our unlimited up 50mb Internet, download movies, games and tv shows!!! Do everything you want on the web faster!!*


*except at peak times, no mass uploading, no p2p either, if you go over your cap you will have a terrible connection. You know what, just Facebook and twitter from now ok?
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They still have better traffic management than adsl users.
 
lurkio said:
Yep go after the easy ones first .... the P2P ... they will get round to you soon enough
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Would you rather they just disconnected anyone who P2Ps as they are likely to be in breach of the acceptable usage policy, which they will have agreed to, instead? :)

PhillyDee said:
They still have better traffic management than adsl users.
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I'm with Eclipsde and whilst I don't get great speeds due to my distance from the exchange, I've never had any traffic management issues at all.
 
Tripp said:
wow...where are the figures to support that?
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The fact that I have 19 friends that all use P2P for illegal means, and I don't.

It's very clear to most people that P2P for the very large majority is a method of sharing illegal files. Yes there are a very small amount of files available legally, and a number of non "torrent" P2P systems for legitimate use, and should those people get caught out then it's a shame.
 
PistolPete said:
To be fair, 95% of P2P is illegal stuff so capping it for the rest of the us can only be a good thing. I realise that this also affects 5% of legit users, but I'm guessing most legit users don't continually use that much bandwidth during peak time.
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This.
 
PistolPete said:
The fact that I have 19 friends that all use P2P for illegal means, and I don't.
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Hmm....you have exactly 19 friends. Sure its not 19 friends to help you make your 95% math equation?. lol.

Either way its all a little bit at a time towards internet control with each new restrictive policy blamed on the mystical 5% who download the internet each day.

Anyway im sick of virgin serving me ads from previous websites that I have just visited. Thank goodness for vpn's.
 
PistolPete said:
To be fair, 95% of P2P is illegal stuff so capping it for the rest of the us can only be a good thing. I realise that this also affects 5% of legit users, but I'm guessing most legit users don't continually use that much bandwidth during peak time.
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So what your saying is that if you pay for a pint of beer but you only get half a pint because there are to many drunks you're ok with that?

If VM can't manage the speed they say, then they should lower it to what a person can really get.
 
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deuse said:
If VM can't manage the speed they say, then they should lower it to what a person can really get.
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Which in a way is what they are doing, restricting the things that are by most part being used against the AUP that everyone has agreed to in order to provide a better service for those that are abiding by it.

So using your example, VM are restricting the amount of people that come into the pub who are bringing in their own cheaper booze from the offie next door, so that there is enough room in the pub for people who want to legitimately buy their pint in there. Or something like that anyway :p

People can argue until they are blue in the face about throttling P2P traffic, and how they arne't doing anything wrong when using P2P and that is'a ll linux distros, but for the most part everyone knows what it's really being used for.
 
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deuse said:
If VM can't manage the speed they say, then they should lower it to what a person can really get.
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They are managing it...

Personally, I'm not fussed about the upload restrictions. I don't use it like that. It's wierd that I upload around 8GB just in return packets and stuff a month. I literally don't upload any data other than just using internet normally.
 
So using your example, VM are restricting the amount of people that come into the pub who are bringing in their own cheaper booze from the offie next door, so that there is enough room in the pub for people who want to legitimately buy their pint in there. Or something like that anyway :p
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True..but the pub will say so on the door and not let you come in and then take the beer off you :p:D

People can argue until they are blue in the face about throttling P2P traffic, and how they arne't doing anything wrong when using P2P and that is'a ll linux distros, but for the most part everyone knows what it's really being used for.
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But it's not just P2P\Usenet its port 21\23 and a few other ports blocked.
So say I am in london and I want to transfer my pics from my nas to a company or friend it will be very slow between 5-12pm that is not fair at all.
 
Great news for me living in a student area supporting 2 uni's and a college. Might actually be able to ping below 500 during peak times!

Saying that though i think ISP's shouldnt be allowed to oversubscribe areas and if they cant give everyone 50mb they should give everyone 20mb and not throttle people who are heavy users.
 
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deuse said:
True..but the pub will say so on the door and not let you come in and then take the beer off you :p:D
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Well I guess you could say that VM say on the door 'don't do this or else' with their AUP, people choose to ignore the sign an enter and do it anyway and then get penalised when they do :)

deuse said:
But it's not just P2P\Usenet its port 21\23 and a few other ports blocked.
So say I am in london and I want to transfer my pics from my nas to a company or friend it will be very slow between 5-12pm that is not fair at all.
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If it's throttling other legit stuff then I do see why you might get annoyed, if it actually does slow things down significantly.

Simple solution would be to run using different non throttled ports :)

I just always like to play devil's advocate when people start moaning about throttling connections as I'd be willing to bet the majority of them are doing things against their connection providers policy. They think it's fine to do that, yet moan when the companies act to do something about it.

It's a war that'll be going on for quite some time as connection speeds get faster and faster, and media becomes larger and larger.
 
chris74 said:
Anyway im sick of virgin serving me ads from previous websites that I have just visited. Thank goodness for vpn's.
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I thought VM had stated they would use any type of phorm or DPI ?

ALso whats the point in rolling out higher speeds and higher uploads to then turn round and cap it :/

Just means you can hit your cap faster :confused:
 
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