W10 - Subscription

Skeeter · 15 Jul 2016 at 17:54

When a consumer buys a device it will (almost always) come with a Windows license. That license has been paid for by the OEM and is included in the cost of the device.

When a business buys a device it will (often) come with either no license, or a license that is effectively 'thrown away' and the device then absorbed into their Volume License Agreement

The per user license opens up the Volume Licensing to those smaller bsuinesses who perhaps couldn't justify a full Volume License agreement, or who made do with purchasing Pro licenses instead.

Business and Consumers are 2 very different markets.

Caged · 15 Jul 2016 at 18:32

Windows for consumers will continue to be an OEM-supplied thing with no expiry, continuous upgrades but no license transfer. I fully expect Pro versions of Windows to continue like this.

Enterprise was sort of already subscription, but the subscriptions were Volume Licensing agreements and continuing Software Assurance payments. This is just making it more accessible, nothing to worry about.

Nevakonaza · 15 Jul 2016 at 19:14

Lets put it this way,If they introduce a subscription model for home users..you can almost guarantee a very large number will turn to pirating and bypassing again.

Skeeter · 16 Jul 2016 at 00:05

How would they even introduce this for home users? It would mean PC World selling you a PC without an OS on it.... :/

Armageus · 16 Jul 2016 at 08:35

Skeeter said:
How would they even introduce this for home users? It would mean PC World selling you a PC without an OS on it.... :/

Could just include 12 months subscription prepaid for example.

Gimpymoo · 16 Jul 2016 at 09:44

Nevakonaza said:
Lets put it this way,If they introduce a subscription model for home users..you can almost guarantee a very large number will turn to pirating and bypassing again.

Your right, I forgot that everybody purchases their O.S licenses nowadays.

Do not want to go back to those days.

stoofa · 16 Jul 2016 at 10:21

JanM said:
Office is also subscription based now.

It can be, it also can not be. All about actually researching your product before ranting about/purchasing it.

Rroff · 16 Jul 2016 at 10:27

Armageus said:
Could just include 12 months subscription prepaid for example.

They already do it with office on some devices - my tablet came with a full office license but just after I bought it they changed it (not for me) to 12 months prepaid office 365.

groovesection · 25 Jul 2016 at 14:06

-Gamble- said:
Whats wrong with windows 10, in your opinion?

Seriously? The fact you can turn off as many tracking settings as you like but a windows update will reset those settings, the fact driver updates are mandatory, the never ending telemetry being harvested and being sold.
The fact there are hundreds of posts from people who have upgraded from 7 to find 10 has wrecked their boxes.
Need I go on?
When a company gives you something for free, (w10 upgrade) then it transpires you are the product!
M$ has now adopted the Google business model but at the OS level, rather than sell you the consumer a license for £80 they offer the OS for free because the data and personal info is worth more to them, they can sell, re-sell and target so much better than Google can at the browser level.
This is why I will NEVER accept w10, I may as well bend over, lube up my ******** and invite Bill to 'fill his boots'

Glaucus · 25 Jul 2016 at 14:29

groovesection said:
Seriously? The fact you can turn off as many tracking settings as you like but a windows update will reset those settings, the fact driver updates are mandatory, the never ending telemetry being harvested and being sold.
The fact there are hundreds of posts from people who have upgraded from 7 to find 10 has wrecked their boxes.
Need I go on?
When a company gives you something for free, (w10 upgrade) then it transpires you are the product!
M$ has now adopted the Google business model but at the OS level, rather than sell you the consumer a license for £80 they offer the OS for free because the data and personal info is worth more to them, they can sell, re-sell and target so much better than Google can at the browser level.
This is why I will NEVER accept w10, I may as well bend over, lube up my ******** and invite Bill to 'fill his boots'

lol, perhaps you should take tin foil hat of and do some fact checking, before posting utter nonsense.

Skeeter · 25 Jul 2016 at 14:52

groovesection said:
Seriously? The fact you can turn off as many tracking settings as you like but a windows update will reset those settings, the fact driver updates are mandatory, the never ending telemetry being harvested and being sold.
The fact there are hundreds of posts from people who have upgraded from 7 to find 10 has wrecked their boxes.
Need I go on?
When a company gives you something for free, (w10 upgrade) then it transpires you are the product!
M$ has now adopted the Google business model but at the OS level, rather than sell you the consumer a license for £80 they offer the OS for free because the data and personal info is worth more to them, they can sell, re-sell and target so much better than Google can at the browser level.
This is why I will NEVER accept w10, I may as well bend over, lube up my ******** and invite Bill to 'fill his boots'

Writes "Microsoft" as "M$", argument imediately rendered void.

mid_gen · 26 Jul 2016 at 08:11

You pay for Windows when you a buy a device with it installed, or buy an OEM license if you're building the system yourself. The business model is clear, Microsoft are still selling licenses, it's just now you won't ever pay for an upgrade on a device that has Win 10 on it.

I don't see the problem.

Skeeter · 26 Jul 2016 at 09:17

Exactly. Windows 10 isn't free.

groovesection · 26 Jul 2016 at 12:07

So the fact I tested win10 means what I have said is nonsense?
I can 100% attest that changing any settings gets over-ridden when windows updates, Er OK, best I go buy some tinfoil and make a new hat then

groovesection · 26 Jul 2016 at 12:11

Skeeter said:
Exactly. Windows 10 isn't free.

Er it is for windows 7 users on desktops, it is all part of their 'plan' to get Win10 on a billion devices by 2020.
Lets see what happens on July 29th, I may be wrong, But I am pretty sure Microsoft will say "Windows 10 adoption has been so good and our users are loving the new system, We at Microsoft have decided to extend the 'free' upgrade offer to windows 7, 8 & 8.1 users for another year"

Glaucus · 26 Jul 2016 at 12:30

groovesection said:
So the fact I tested win10 means what I have said is nonsense?
I can 100% attest that changing any settings gets over-ridden when windows updates, Er OK, best I go buy some tinfoil and make a new hat then

It really doesn't.
One update did that which ms pulled and fixed.

What you have said has nothing to do with you trying it. It is just pure nonses.

Rroff · 26 Jul 2016 at 12:39

Glaucus said:
It really doesn't.
One update did that which ms pulled and fixed.

What you have said has nothing to do with you trying it. It is just pure nonses.

Not quite sure on the context here but I have found several times that some settings including privacy settings and a few times the options for sharing updates have reverted after some updates - not sure off the top of my head how much has been on the insider rung and how much on the normal ring.

Skeeter · 26 Jul 2016 at 13:09

groovesection said:
Er it is for windows 7 users on desktops, it is all part of their 'plan' to get Win10 on a billion devices by 2020.
Lets see what happens on July 29th, I may be wrong, But I am pretty sure Microsoft will say "Windows 10 adoption has been so good and our users are loving the new system, We at Microsoft have decided to extend the 'free' upgrade offer to windows 7, 8 & 8.1 users for another year"

Windows 10 isn't free. You have paid for it by sacrificing your 7 license.

You can't go and get a new licenced copy of Retail or OEM Windows 10 without handing something over in exchange, be it money or something else.

There's no need to apply a subscription model to consumer Windows as we are already paying for it.

malachi · 26 Jul 2016 at 13:17

Glaucus said:
lol, perhaps you should take tin foil hat of and do some fact checking, before posting utter nonsense.

This.

groovesection · 26 Jul 2016 at 13:59

Glaucus said:
It really doesn't.
One update did that which ms pulled and fixed.

What you have said has nothing to do with you trying it. It is just pure nonses.

Thank you for telling me I am wrong, Are you Mystic Meg?

I do not wish to engage in discourse regarding the semantics of windows 10. If you want/love it then woohoo, enjoy your new shiny system.

I have tested win10 and found it to be unreliable, uncontrollable and unstable and have drawn my own conclusions,
I have a paid Win 7 license I am more than happy with and have no intention to upgrade to windows 10 till at least 2020.
I have currently disabled win7 updates due to the 'forced' pressure to migrate to 10.
If I decide to migrate to windows 10 it will be MY decision, not Microsoft's or bullying from people on forums stating I am a 'tinfoil hat' David Icke follower

/end

If I could get support for my licenses on Linux for VDJ8, DVBViewer & VideoredoplusTVsuite I would be heading to Linux, but as I have almost £200 invested in those licenses I will continue with Windows 7 till I am forced to change in 2020.
I paid for my windows 7 license, is it too much to expect support and not sneaky backdoor porting of windows 10 upgrades and telemetry installed on my system?

It's pathetic, Once 2020 gets here I may just simply unplug windows 7, continue to use it offline and do any online stuff with a Linux distro on a separate box or SSD.

/tinfoilhat - so ****ing funny