Wait for DDR 5, or build a DDR 4 4000 Mhz system?

ASMB said:
If the computer does what you want it to do there isn't any need to upgrade. I found going from my i2500k to the Ryzen 5600x makes everything quicker and smoother from using the web to playing recent games, however, the i2500k could still do a lot of what I wanted
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You are right it just feels wrong to go so long without upgrading. I grow up doing a CPU/Motherboard every other year and the GPU the year in-between. 10 years ago I had a Intel Core i7-3930K and there seems little reason to upgrade it.

I think one of the reasons it lasted so well is the 6c/12t which most people said was a waste of time in 2011 ish. Those extra cores really extended the life of the CPU as the years went on. So I guess its wise to do the same again. It might be 10 years old but the 3930K seems to run everything today smoothly.

What’s the equivalent of a 3930K this coming year? One of the i9’s? How do i9s compared against the i7’s for gaming? Thinking long term here so I don't mind paying extra for a 10c/20t CPU if it comes into its own over the next 10 years. Not bothered about the fastest at the moment, more something that will last a long time. When I had the 3930K it wasn't the fastest at 2c/4t games but it lasted better then those faster 2 core CPU's.
 
I'd say a Ryzen 9 5900X (12 cores). Unfortunately, you might need to wait a few months to actually buy one, as they are out of stock everywhere. The price seems to be ~£540.

The situation is similar for the Ryzen 9 5950X (16 cores), which is priced at ~£750.

You can buy a Ryzen 9 3900X (12 core) for ~£410, the performance seems to be good (on paper), but maybe ask others on this forum what they think about it.
 
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The 11700K is looking a bit underwhelming vs Comet Lake CPUs, as some have pointed out, the boost clocks aren't impressive.

The single threaded performance is ~31% higher than the 10700, and ~27% higher than the 10700k, comparison here:
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-11700K-vs-Intel-Core-i7-10700/4107vs4077

Rocket Lake reported Boost speeds:

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The 11700K /11900K all core boost clocks are only 200 or 400mhz higher than the 11700 / 11700F, respectively. And they have a 92% higher TDP!

Why are Intel CPU still struggling to get 4.5ghz on all cores? State of the art 14nm tech at work ;)

AMD should really offer an 8 core Zen 3 CPU at a similar price to the 11700F.
 
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Intel are claiming an IPC increase which is similar to what AMD claimed from Ryzen 3000 series to Ryzen 5000. So most people are expecting Intel to regain the gaming crown. If Intel keep prices on their big sellers like the 11400f down they can undercut AMD or have a similar price at key performance points as AMD jacked up the price on the 5000 series released so far. Its nice to have competition and choice back after years of AMD struggling.
 
Wishful thinking to expect any aggressive pricing from intel. If they retake the performance crown there is zero incentive to undercut AMD, particularly when there is a global shortage of silicon. If anything, it’s licence to price them higher as AMD have no need to cut prices because of said shortages.

E.G. supply is lacking behind demand so there is upward pressure on pricing not downwards.
 
AMD's official roadmaps have been fairly clear in the past about what products they are planning, if not always 100% accurate with the fab process they will use, This roadmap clearly shows the Zen+ (12nm) series for a 2018 release:

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Later (official) roadmaps haven't mentioned a Warhol / 'Zen 3+' series at all. I think it probably would've been mentioned on recent roadmaps as Zen 3+ by now, if it existed.

AMD does actually plan several years ahead, unlike Intel, which in recent years has been winging it with Skylake architecture refreshes on 14nm.

Still, maybe there will be more info. just after Rocket Lake releases.
 
g67575 said:
AMD's official roadmaps have been fairly clear in the past about what products they are planning, if not always 100% accurate with the fab process they will use, This roadmap clearly shows the Zen+ (12nm) series for a 2018 release:

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Later (official) roadmaps haven't mentioned a Warhol / 'Zen 3+' series at all. I think it probably would've been mentioned on recent roadmaps as Zen 3+ by now, if it existed.

AMD does actually plan several years ahead, unlike Intel, which in recent years has been winging it with Skylake architecture refreshes on 14nm.

Still, maybe there will be more info. just after Rocket Lake releases.
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Eh? There a leaked intel roadmaps all the time and of course they plan ahead. Just because they have had engineering issues doesn’t mean they don’t plan. What a silly statement...
 
Yeah, but they had to scrap a lot of their plans to be fair.
2015: 14nm Skylake
2016: 14nm
2017: 14nm
2018: 10nm nope, 14nm
2019: Still 14nm. Some 10nm laptop CPUs
2021: 14nm, on Rocket Lake. + hint at 10nm desktop a bit more
 
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Wishful thinking to expect any aggressive pricing from intel. If they retake the performance crown there is zero incentive to undercut AMD, particularly when there is a global shortage of silicon. If anything, it’s licence to price them higher as AMD have no need to cut prices because of said shortages.

E.G. supply is lacking behind demand so there is upward pressure on pricing not downwards.
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It will be interesting to see how cheap the cheapest 11th gen intel 6 core thread 12 thread part is compared to AMD 5000 series. Current suggestion is 176 dollars for intel and 299 for AMD. Intel 11th Gen Core Rocket Lake-S CPUs: Euro pricing leaks - CPU - News - HEXUS.net
 
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When you look at how Tiger Lake H45 mobile CPUs have been marketed, e.g. "Mobile processor with Desktop Caliber Performance", it does make you wonder why Intel doesn't release desktop versions of Tiger Lake this year...

Unless, they can't produce many 10nm Tiger Lake chips due to capacity issues.
 
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I guess that they hope Rocket Lake is near enough to AMD to sell well and then want to concentrate on Alder Lake for late this year, early next, which might still be slightly ahead of the Ryzen 6000 series of cpu. There might be foundry capacity issues as I don't know how many of their gpu they want to produce in house this year and how much they plan to try and outsource to TSMC the production of their gpu
 
Comparing two 5.0ghz (turbo) CPUs, one from the 10nm Tiger Lake series, and the other from the 14nm Comet Lake series, there appears to be around a 33% increase in single core overclocked speed for the Tiger Lake CPU.

Link here:
https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compa...5H-vs-Intel-Core-i7-10870H/m1462657vsm1322918

There's some differences in L3 Cache (and different core count), so it's not a perfect comparison, but it does show that there's a significant performance difference.
 
g67575 said:
Similar story here with the Cinebench R20 CPU (Single Core) benchmark
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Wasn't referring to the numbers, but the source of the numbers. Posting Userfailmark around here is gonna get you laughed at every day of the week and then some.
 
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And yet here you are, replying to my quite harmless comment :)
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I was advising again using them... they are known to be so far up Intels butt you might as well call it Intel Benchmarks Only.com

So I am now totally confused, what part did you not understand?
 
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