Wanting to upgrade - AMD CPU

[Martini1991]

Overvolt is raising the voltage, which can be done with MSI Afterburner lol.

 

[Omaeka]

Overvolt is raising the voltage, which can be done with MSI Afterburner lol.

I know, I had a stupid moment cause you explained before didnt you hoping to edit it before you noticed.

So I should use MSI Afterburner, yes?

 

[Martini1991]

Yes use MSI Afterburner

 

[Omaeka]

Yes use MSI Afterburner

Before I start, should I set CCC back to default settings, or will MSI detect the work I've done in CCC?

 

[Hagar]

Strange that 32 bit has a higher number as an X or whatever how come?

x86 refers to the intel processor numbering from way back

processors were

8086
There was a 186 but not used in processor line ups for desktop PC's AFAIK
80286 (286) My first in PC in 1990
80386 (386)
80486 (486) My second PC in 1993

then the 586 became pentium and so on, the 86 suffix was not used.

x86 became used to describe software compatibility as 32 bit, 8086 was 8 bit, 80286 and 386 16 bit if I recall, the advent of PCI and the 486 gave us the first proper 32bit bus

Now X64 just describes the bit width but it is still x86 compatible.

Trust the history lesson made sense.

 

[Omaeka]

x86 refers to the intel processor numbering from way back

processors were

8086
There was a 186 but not used in processor line ups for desktop PC's AFAIK
80286 (286) My first in PC in 1990
80386 (386)
80486 (486) My second PC in 1993

then the 586 became pentium and so on, the 86 suffix was not used.

x86 became used to describe software compatibility as 32 bit, 8086 was 8 bit, 80286 and 386 16 bit if I recall, the advent of PCI and the 486 gave us the first proper 32bit bus

Now X64 just describes the bit width but it is still x86 compatible.

Trust the history lesson made sense.

It made perfect sense thank you ironic huh that I'm running an AMD rig and referred to the OS by the Intel proc number, even if it doesn't mean that anymore I'm gonna take a nice sense of irony in that.

 

[Nuclear Fusion]

So I really shouldn't of even gone AMD shame really, I quite like the company and all. I'll go Intel when I have the £££.

Well, at least they are doing well in the mid-range GPU market with their HD 7850, which is probably the best choice for that price range, so there is still hope for AMD on the GPU side of things, though that may change with the GTX 660/660 Ti. However the CPU department is evidently not doing well at all. Which is a shame really, because without serious competition in the CPU market, Intel is going to be more likely to charge higher prices and delay launches of new products to sell off more of the old stock- both of which are bad for consumers like us

 

[Omaeka]

Well, at least they are doing well in the mid-range GPU market with their HD 7850, which is probably the best choice for that price range, so there is still hope for AMD on the GPU side of things, though that may change with the GTX 660/660 Ti. However the CPU department is evidently not doing well at all. Which is a shame really, because without serious competition in the CPU market, Intel is going to be more likely to charge higher prices and delay launches of new products to sell off more of the old stock- both of which are bad for consumers like us

There must be a reason AMD are slacking though, they are still a huge company at the end of the day.

 

[Martini1991]

There must be a reason AMD are slacking though, they are still a huge company at the end of the day.

Haven't got the power Intel has.

 

[Nuclear Fusion]

There must be a reason AMD are slacking though, they are still a huge company at the end of the day.

Well I think I heard something about them focusing all their efforts on their laptop CPUs, and not so much on their desktops, can't really say how true that is or not, since there aren't many laptop CPU/GPU benchmarks out there (mainly because you don't exactly buy a laptop to do any heavy processing or gaming), but certainly they have slacked when it comes to their desktop CPUs.

 

[Martini1991]

That's still a confusing premise.
Intel put fully fledged IB's and SB's in lappy's, if AMD can't compete with them at desktop, they can't at laptop.

 

[Nuclear Fusion]

That's still a confusing premise.
Intel put fully fledged IB's and SB's in lappy's, if AMD can't compete with them at desktop, they can't at laptop.

Quite right, but I just meant that it may have been part of the reason for why their desktop CPUs were so bad compared to SB/IB. Of course, there can be no good excuses for the failure of Bulldozer, AMD has to take it as a serious warning that if they don't improve massively with Piledriver, they may be forced out of the CPU market altogether. As I say, I don't know how true or not that is, but from what I read, they seem to be a little more competitive at the same price point within the laptop market- though I imagine they still lag behind SB/IB as you say.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Quite right, but I just meant that it may have been part of the reason for why their desktop CPUs were so bad compared to SB/IB. Of course, there can be no good excuses for the failure of Bulldozer, AMD has to take it as a serious warning that if they don't improve massively with Piledriver, they may be forced out of the CPU market altogether. As I say, I don't know how true or not that is, but from what I read, they seem to be a little more competitive at the same price point within the laptop market- though I imagine they still lag behind SB/IB as you say.

Its actually the part of the market they have been expanding sales in,due to Llano and Zacate. They have sold at least 30 million of them last year.

They have targeted countries like China which are a massive market and expanding rapidly.

The tradeoff with a more powerful IGP in Llano and Zacate has paid off for them. For the sorts of purposes people use their laptops for,it seems good enough,and sales worldwide have shown this.

 

[Nuclear Fusion]

Its actually the part of the market they have been expanding sales in,due to Llano and Zacate. They have sold at least 30 million of them last year.

They have targeted countries like China which are a massive market and expanding rapidly.

The tradeoff with a more powerful IGP in Llano and Zacate has paid off for them. For the sorts of purposes people use their laptops for,it seems good enough,and sales worldwide have shown this.

Yeah, I suppose laptops are where their one advantage over Intel (their iGPUs) actually comes into play, since most mainstream laptops still use integrated graphics. So perhaps that might have helped their laptop CPUs to do a little better than their desktop counterparts.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Yeah, I suppose laptops are where their one advantage over Intel (their iGPUs) actually comes into play, since most mainstream laptops still use integrated graphics. So perhaps that might have helped their laptop CPUs to do a little better than their desktop counterparts.

There is also,the other thing about leveraging the GPU to offload tasks from the CPU. The AMD GPUs are very good with things like OpenCL(HandBrake has shown massive performance boosts in experimental builds),and Adobe official supports the Mercury Graphics Engine on the Trinity IGP. More and more well known applications are starting to use GPU acceleration according to Anandtech and Toms Hardware articles.

Next year,they are shifting to 28NM and using GCN cores in the IGP. GCN is a big improvement over VLIW4 and VLIW5 for compute.

So,in that sense the IGP is doing more and more,than simple gaming tasks and helping the slower AMD CPU out.

It is quite exciting TBH,even for desktop users. As more and more companies implement this,we should see big improvements in performance by also using our discrete graphics cards too.

Once,the GPU accelerated builds of HandBrake are released,I want to try it on my graphics card!!