[warning contains spoilers] Star Trek : Beyond Question

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I have finally watched the last Star Trek Film, im now up to date (except for Discovery)

I am left confused and need help to understand why

Ok so we hear about ambassador Spock
i was like WTF? how can this be, this is in the future surely ?

then we see the photograph of the Original series crew

I thought the last 3 films were star-dated BEFORE William Shatners crew of the enterprise ?


Can somebody explain this please, thank you kindly
 
They are set before Kirk Captains the Enterprise, but it's an alternate universe (Kelvin-verse).

OldSpock/Ambassador Spock & Nero travelled back 129 years to the time of the 2009 Star trek film. At that point there were two Spocks, Ambassador Spock (Nimoy) and Commander Spock (Quinto).
 
ShiWarrior said:
I have finally watched the last Star Trek Film, im now up to date (except for Discovery)

I am left confused and need help to understand why

Ok so we hear about ambassador Spock
i was like WTF? how can this be, this is in the future surely ?

then we see the photograph of the Original series crew

I thought the last 3 films were star-dated BEFORE William Shatners crew of the enterprise ?


Can somebody explain this please, thank you kindly
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The three last films were JJ Abrams alternative timeline (ie Kelvin Timeline). In the Prime timeline Shatner's Trek happens, at then end of Spock's career as an Ambassador, he fails to save Romulus from destruction. Both Spock and Nero go back in time and the Kelvin is destroyed. This change in events creates the alternative Kelvin timeline that the JJ films take place in. The events of the first JJ film happens, and Vulcan is destroyed. Spock serves on the Enterprise under Kirk in this alternative timeline, and Spock from the Prime timeline exists alongside, until he dies in the third film.
 
Torquar said:
They are set before Kirk Captains the Enterprise, but it's an alternate universe (Kelvin-verse).

OldSpock/Ambassador Spock & Nero travelled back 129 years to the time of the 2009 Star trek film. At that point there were two Spocks, Ambassador Spock (Nimoy) and Commander Spock (Quinto).
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thanks for that :)
 
Steampunk said:
The three last films were JJ Abrams alternative timeline (ie Kelvin Timeline). In the Prime timeline Shatner's Trek happens, at then end of Spock's career as an Ambassador, he fails to save Romulus from destruction. Both Spock and Nero go back in time and the Kelvin is destroyed. This change in events creates the alternative Kelvin timeline that the JJ films take place in. The events of the first JJ film happens, and Vulcan is destroyed. Spock serves on the Enterprise under Kirk in this alternative timeline, and Spock from the Prime timeline exists alongside, until he dies in the third film.
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thanks for that :)
 
Basically.

Prime timeline (ie trek/TNG ect) - Hobus star goes boom, this wipes out Romulus which is 500 odd light years away (no idea!!!), Prime spock tries to stop said boom, fails and falls into a fancy black hole with Nero and his borgified ship
Nero pops up hundred of so years earlier and nukes the Kelvin which has thor as its first officer. This buggers up the timeline. Spoke pops into the same timeline a bit later on (Timey wimey crap) and gets captured by a ****** off Nero.
(hence first ST reboot film)

The above causes the Kelvin timeline the reboots are filmed in.
The prime timeline still exists and has Picard wondering WTF he is doing in a vineyard sulking for the last 20years coming to our screens with Amazon in a few months.

Hope that covers it.
 
Stephanie Peterson said:
Basically.

Prime timeline (ie trek/TNG ect) - Hobus star goes boom, this wipes out Romulus which is 500 odd light years away (no idea!!!), Prime spock tries to stop said boom, fails and falls into a fancy black hole with Nero and his borgified ship
Nero pops up hundred of so years earlier and nukes the Kelvin which has thor as its first officer. This buggers up the timeline. Spoke pops into the same timeline a bit later on (Timey wimey crap) and gets captured by a ****** off Nero.
(hence first ST reboot film)

The above causes the Kelvin timeline the reboots are filmed in.
The prime timeline still exists and has Picard wondering WTF he is doing in a vineyard sulking for the last 20years coming to our screens with Amazon in a few months.

Hope that covers it.
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thanks :)
 
Stephanie Peterson said:
Basically.

Prime timeline (ie trek/TNG ect) - Hobus star goes boom, this wipes out Romulus which is 500 odd light years away (no idea!!!)
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I’d forgotten this if it was in the movies. I’d assumed it was Romulus’s own star. Hollywood is so science blind. A star exploding 500 light years away would take 500 years to affect Romulus. Plenty of time for a faster than light culture to pull there finger out and do something.
 
ShiWarrior said:
it was a long time ago i watched it lol

Nimoy was in the reboot
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yeah spoke came back in time, lens flare, because of the red matter, the red matter was made up as a plot point, as somehow there are multiple stars in systems again, and they lost utter coherence with the one bit of explanation to start their entire line, lens flare, red matter, lens flare

That makes as much sense as their reboot, which bar the gubbins actually wasn't too bad.
 
PlacidCasual said:
I’d forgotten this if it was in the movies. I’d assumed it was Romulus’s own star. Hollywood is so science blind. A star exploding 500 light years away would take 500 years to affect Romulus. Plenty of time for a faster than light culture to pull there finger out and do something.
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they later made up some nonsense about it being a subspace explosion - no mention of any other planets it destroyed - did it destroy every planet/star in a 500 light year radius (or more)?

basically JJ knows bugger all about science or space - his other movies are also ridiculous in that respect.
 
whilst on the subject, whats this i hear about the possibility of Tarantino doing a Star Trek Film ? could this be a good thing ? i guess it would be better than JJ versions..
Although i thought Beyond was the best one out of the 3 JJ versions
 
ShiWarrior said:
whilst on the subject, whats this i hear about the possibility of Tarantino doing a Star Trek Film ? could this be a good thing ?
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Not sure what's going on with that. I'm not a fan of Tarantino really, so I couldn't really care less whether he makes a Star Trek film or not.

ShiWarrior said:
Although i thought Beyond was the best one out of the 3 JJ versions
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That was probably because Abrams didn't direct Beyond. :p

I thought it was the least worst of the three.
 
Marsman said:
Not sure what's going on with that. I'm not a fan of Tarantino really, so I couldn't really care less whether he makes a Star Trek film or not.



That was probably because Abrams didn't direct Beyond. :p

I thought it was the least worst of the three.
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yes thats true, he only produced it
 
The rebooted trek movies seemed to take great delight in utterly decimating the enterprise, in all 3 movies it takes serious damage and gets destroyed in the last one. In beyond it doesn't even get to fire a shot in the entirety of the movie :p

Beyond was a major disappointment so the next installment is shelved (allegedly around pay disputes with Pine), possibly indefinitely.
 
Apparently more than just Pine wanting money - the whole shebang was up the spout as backers pulled out and left the funding in a bit of a state.
This is mainly because of the ridicules situation ST finds itself in with rights and ownership crap, having to have the Kelvin films 25% different and all that.

Total mess made by idiot execs.
 
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