Was given a load of air-guns and ww2 stuff

~>Dg<~ · 19 Jul 2017 at 14:52

if you live in england and want to visit scotland to shoot go look at the hassle it is to get the proper license.its actually easier to get a shotgun license to do the air rifle route.

details here. http://www.scotland.police.uk/about...rearms/air-weapon-licensing/visiting-scotland

Teknobry · 19 Jul 2017 at 15:01

OP is in swansea.

He's just been given a collection of items, one of which being an air rifle.
I don't think he has to worry just yet about getting a licence to take it to scotland.

opstrat · 19 Jul 2017 at 15:17

its roughly the same application system as the shotgun and firearm certificates. i agree the visitor application is a bit excessive but what else can you do.

Roar87 · 19 Jul 2017 at 15:58

To be fair Scotland has rare birds they need to protect, that'll explain the difficulty.

Teknobry · 19 Jul 2017 at 16:36

Roar87 said:
To be fair Scotland has rare birds they need to protect, that'll explain the difficulty.

that's got nothing to do with it. The reason for licensing was the typical knee jerk reaction following an incident. Scum who would never be granted a licence in the first play shot a toddler IIRC, so that brought in ridiculous draconian measures.

opstrat · 19 Jul 2017 at 16:38

it was to reduce the number of local neds taking pot shots outside their multi story flats.

Cleisthenes · 19 Jul 2017 at 16:40

Edrof said:
As a collector, why don't people give me stuff?! The sword bayonet is a 1907 Pattern for the SMLE rifle. It looks to be in good condition. Yours was issued January 1917 by the looks of it. I can't quite make out the manufacturer from your photo. On the reverse will be a large X - this denotes the bayonet passed the bend test in the factory. I very much doubt the notches are 'kills', sorry! It looks to have been put, the wrong way round, in a Home Guard frog (the canvas belt attachment).

The spike bayonet is what replaced the 1907 Pattern and was used with the Enfield No.4 Rifle (an updated version of the SMLE for WWII).

A fountain of knowledge, very interesting to hear (even though i have no idea what most of what you wrote means).

opstrat · 19 Jul 2017 at 16:42

Teknobry said:
that's got nothing to do with it. The reason for licensing was the typical knee jerk reaction following an incident. Scum who would never be granted a licence in the first play shot a toddler IIRC, so that brought in ridiculous draconian measures.

wouldnt call it draconian. it was needed. you take an off the shelf airgun ramp it up over the 12ftp and stick the right pellet in and it will do serious damage.

Roar87 · 19 Jul 2017 at 17:01

opstrat said:
wouldnt call it draconian. it was needed. you take an off the shelf airgun ramp it up over the 12ftp and stick the right pellet in and it will do serious damage.

So will a brick to the head, or just doing that without bothering with a license, both are examples of breaking a law, an additional law won't help that.

opstrat · 19 Jul 2017 at 17:04

so lets just abolish all the gun laws and let everyone go out and buy one.

it now means you cannot just go out and buy one off the shelf. yes there will be a lot of rifles still out there but we dont live in a perfect world.

Roar87 · 19 Jul 2017 at 17:15

opstrat said:
so lets just abolish all the gun laws and let everyone go out and buy one.

it now means you cannot just go out and buy one off the shelf. yes there will be a lot of rifles still out there but we dont live in a perfect world.

Well air rifles are fairly prolific at this point, someone could just drive over the border to England, put one in the boot and do what you say. There are already laws against shooting people, why does an additional law help?

opstrat · 19 Jul 2017 at 17:21

but you still have to produce photo id and proof of address. even in england. but why go to those lengths, probably cheaper just getting a licence.

Boycey0211 · 19 Jul 2017 at 17:47

lol kills getting scratched into a bayonet, this isn't BF1

Teknobry · 19 Jul 2017 at 17:50

opstrat said:
wouldnt call it draconian. it was needed. you take an off the shelf airgun ramp it up over the 12ftp and stick the right pellet in and it will do serious damage.

it wasn't needed. Air gun misuse in scotland has been falling for years, it was already at an all time low. this was purely political. All it has served to do is make thousands of people who enjoy the sport either give it up, become 'criminals' or go through the hassle of licencing which will do nothing to stop rare incidents like what happened.
The only people giving up or licensing air guns are the ones who wouldn't misuse them in the first place.

Roar87 · 19 Jul 2017 at 17:53

Boycey0211 said:
lol kills getting scratched into a bayonet, this isn't BF1

I wouldn't like to meet the soldier scratching kills into his bayonet in WW1, what a complete bad ass he'd be

Edrof · 19 Jul 2017 at 17:59

Cleisthenes said:
A fountain of knowledge, very interesting to hear (even though i have no idea what most of what you wrote means).

Ha ha, thanks. There would be more to say about them both if OP can post photos of markings. I can also value them.

Boycey0211 · 19 Jul 2017 at 18:02

Roar87 said:
I wouldn't like to meet the soldier scratching kills into his bayonet in WW1, what a complete bad ass he'd be

Its a little known fact that in the bloodiest conflict of the 20th century, the killstreak perk was invented. Bet he got the limited edition dogtags too.

Zenduri · 19 Jul 2017 at 19:14

Teknobry said:
it wasn't needed. Air gun misuse in scotland has been falling for years, it was already at an all time low. this was purely political. All it has served to do is make thousands of people who enjoy the sport either give it up, become 'criminals' or go through the hassle of licencing which will do nothing to stop rare incidents like what happened.
The only people giving up or licensing air guns are the ones who wouldn't misuse them in the first place.

Here here 100% on the money

Zenduri · 19 Jul 2017 at 19:20

Roar87 said:
To be fair Scotland has rare birds they need to protect, that'll explain the difficulty.

Tbh that has nothing to do with it. It was a failed move to stop the odd idiot for shooting who or whatever and the only people it hurt were the law abiding people.

Same thing happened to handgun ban after dunblane. The very rare incident of someone shooting someone else and they over react with the only people getting hurt being the law abiding people. Hundreds of shooting clubs and associations closed when the ban came in and cost thousands to the average shooter as they werent compensated. Meanwhile the usual gang member and scrote obviously didnt hand their illegal handgun in....

Edrof · 19 Jul 2017 at 19:24

Teknobry said:
it wasn't needed. Air gun misuse in scotland has been falling for years, it was already at an all time low. this was purely political. All it has served to do is make thousands of people who enjoy the sport either give it up, become 'criminals' or go through the hassle of licencing which will do nothing to stop rare incidents like what happened.
The only people giving up or licensing air guns are the ones who wouldn't misuse them in the first place.

The EU has just done the exact same sort of meddling with deactivated firearms here in the UK. They've messed about with our laws (which were the best in the world) and massively hurt the collectors and nobody else. In fact, they've made it MUCH easier for naughty chaps to smuggle live firearms in now.