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was going to upgrade but not now.

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I was all set on getting 3570k but as a gamer and after a little looking it not really worth it is it coming from a [email protected]?


when will the next gen cpu's be out? as I reckon i will be better off spending the cash on a new video card presently.
 
badcompany said:
I was all set on getting 3570k but as a gamer and after a little looking it not really worth it is it coming from a [email protected]?


when will the next gen cpu's be out? as I reckon i will be better off spending the cash on a new video card presently.
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Holy Crapsack!

I was going to ask exactly the same question!

I was just about to ask is the 3570k really going to be that much of an improvement in games over my [email protected]..

In terms of next gen cpu.. I think we might get an AMD Bulldozer revision and I think next gen Intel CPU are not for another 9-10 months...

But what you do get by going with the 3570k, is obviously a faster cpu, faster ram, sata 3 and pci ex3...
 
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I find that I've been seeing less and less increases each time I upgrade. It's not like the early 2000s where one year the processors were 1GHz then the next year they were 2GHz. Wolfdale chips at those speeds are still good enough considering that most games nowadays are GPU limited more than anything.
 
I was about to buy a 3570k and a Z77 board to replace my P35 system with a E8500 running at 4Ghz. Then my wife asked me "What will it do that your old system can't do now for the £400 you want to spend"..?
Of course she was right to ask that as the answer would be "very little".
It might have been nice to have SATA 3 but my SATA 3 SSD drives run fast enough with the SATA 2 ports they are connected to (I don't play with benchmarks).
It would have been somewhat useful to have USB 3 ports as I do have a couple of USB 3 1TB external HD's I use for backup. But once stuff is backed up then its fine.

Also Within 12 months the Haswell platform is supposed to be out, which is a different socket and chipset so buying a Z77 board which has been released for, what it seems to me, the IB range of CPU's (and SB) will kinda limit its usefulness for the next range of CPU's.

Software wise the games I play these days run great. What little video encoding I do from my HD family videos I can do fine and that goes with the photo editing I do.

I do get the desire to change and even though I am coming from an oldish P35 system I will get very little meaningful difference with my type of use etc.
In a way it seems to me to be a little sad, and yet good for my wallet, as my Gigabyte P35 board goes back to 2007 (IIRC) and yet it still holds its own with what is on the market today. Software wise, apart from badly coded games like Shogun 2 and that makes very poor use of a multi core CPU, there is less compelling reasons to make such changes and those changes seem to me to offer much less of a real difference than they once did.
 
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opethdisciple said:
I just got an answer back from Tiny Tom logan - you know the dude that does all the reviews on you tube.

He says upgrading from a [email protected] to a 3570k is a huge upgrade.
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hehe maybe he should stick to cases
seems a nice guy but i dont agree
unless you are video encoding or playing games that are massively all cpu then....meh

gfx card and nice big screen might get more out of
tho the new IB laptops look nice
 
I've just gone from Q9550 @ 3.6GHz, P5Q-E & 8GB DDR2 to the spec in my sig & I'd say that it was a worthwhile upgrade. I'm only running a modest overclock of 3.6GHz at present but I'm noticing games such as BF3 and The Witcher 2 are much smoother despite my minimum FPS only increasing by 5 FPS or so according to Afterburner. After selling my old kit the upgrade only cost me £43 & it would've been £30 if I didn't have to get a new CPU cooler so it was a no brainer really :)
 
jamesfreddie said:
He can say that as he pays for none of his hardware.

If he upgrades it costs him £0 if you go to a 3570k it will cost you upwards of £350
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Benchmarks for gaming are not awe inspiring to say the least.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/49?vs=288


Crysis Warhead - 1680 x 1050 - Mainstream Quality (Physics on Enthusiast) - assault bench
Frames per Second - Higher is Better

q9650 = 83.4
2500k= 91.6

Far Cry 2 - 1680 x 1050 - Playback (Action Scene) - Medium Quality
Frames per Second - Higher is Better

q9650 = 61.9
2500k = 78.9

Left 4 Dead - 1680 x 1050 - Max Settings (No AA/AF/Vsync)
Frames per Second - Higher is Better

q9650 = 125.2
2500k = 142.7

Fallout 3 - 1680 x 1050 - Medium Quality
Frames per Second - Higher is Better

q9650 = 86
2500k = 90.3


Both at stock as well, I suspect GPU would be a better purchase.


My previous cpu to the current was a nice jump in power

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/50?vs=68

I would like similar jump next time :)
 
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I remeber when I first got my 5870. My Qx9650 was still at 3Ghz and Crysis warhead was a little jerky at the settings I was playing.

I finally overclocked my cpu to 3.7Ghz and the jerkyness dissapeared.
 
opethdisciple said:
BD chips are not good for games.
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got to disagree i have an fx-8150 and it is fantastic during gameplay i have no lags hangs FPS it always high windows loads within 15 seconds and using everything

they may not be at the standard of the IB/SB/SBE but they still perform well, they only look bad in benchmarks and if thats all you look at for performance then fair enough.
 
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got to disagree i have an fx-8150 and it is fantastic during gameplay i have no lags hangs FPS it always high windows loads within 15 seconds and using everything

they may not be at the standard of the IB/SB/SBE but they still perform well, they only look bad in benchmarks and if thats all you look at for performance then fair enough.
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BD's terrible which ever way you look at it.
 
I'm still on a q6600 @3.66 and it's still doing a great job for me, just crazy how it's still a perfectly adequate cpu all these years later.
 
After writing what I did I succumbed to temptation and somehow my wife did not notice the 3570k I bought and she assumed that the new Z77 motherboard was totally needed due to a catastrophe with my P35c system.

So basically I bought a Gigabyte D3H Z77 board and a 3570k. I already had 2x4GB Vengeance LP 1.35v sticks.

All is well and my "upgrade" itch has been satisfied for a while :)
 
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