Was set on 1700 build... What do I need if I go 8400?

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Hi all,

I was/am pretty much set on a ryzen build due to the potential longevity of the motherboards... However I am struggling to ignore the benchmarks of the recent 8400 cpu by Intel.

As I understand it the 8400 will be locked so I would have to be happy I wouldn't be able to over clock, which to be honest looks like. I wouldn't really need to do anyway.

My main aim for this build is to last 5-6 years, I went for the weak Cpu last time and regret it as if I had listened before rather than being a fan boy I wouldn't even need to look at an upgrade.

I only play BF1 @ 1080 and a I have just recently purchased a new 1080 monitor this will be it for a few years at least.

Having never owned an Intel setup for a good few years I'm not sure on the right motherboard and ram combo to go for.

Budget wise I currently have around £550ish to play with however this includes around £70 for a case.

Can people point me in the right direction with what I can go for please? I would like a bit of RGB action of possible.

Thanks!
 
Nope, pure gaming.

I like the thought about amd saying they are supporting AM4 for another 3-4 years so thats why I'm leaning that way... In theory I could just upgrade the last generation AM4 cpu which could last me another 4—5 years.

I plan to keep the 980 for now and maybe upgrade similar time next year.

What puts me off going intel I'd potentially a further £500-£600 upgrade required after 4-5 years as say a £200 amd cpu.
 
To give you a comparison I get 100-144 FPS (max monitor refresh rate) playing BF1 at 1080p with some of the settings dropped down a little as they make no obvious difference. My CPU averages about 30% and my GPU is maxed out most of the time. Max CPU temp using stock Wraith Spire Cooler is low 50's.

Upgrading is often difficult to know what to buy and when. I chose Ryzen in May due to Intel having nothing at the same price point to offer which was 8c / 16t, the AM4 socket was supported for future CPU generations and my [email protected] was starting to struggle in modern games like BF1.
 
DarkHorizon472 said:
To give you a comparison I get 100-144 FPS (max monitor refresh rate) playing BF1 at 1080p with some of the settings dropped down a little as they make no obvious difference. My CPU averages about 30% and my GPU is maxed out most of the time. Max CPU temp using stock Wraith Spire Cooler is low 50's.

Upgrading is often difficult to know what to buy and when. I chose Ryzen in May due to Intel having nothing at the same price point to offer which was 8c / 16t, the AM4 socket was supported for future CPU generations and my [email protected] was starting to struggle in modern games like BF1.
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That is some decent results...I did have a 480 but sold it and in my opinion the 980 I replaced it with is a faster card so in theory should get some good solid performance. My max refresh rate is 75hz anyway so not going to be pushing that far.

Although the 8400 is better I do wonder if I go Ryzen now that it would give me that bit more flexibility in the future...you just need to see that Intel now need you to use a 370 board and not a 270 which in themselves aren't very old so to go Cofeelake you need a new motherboard and cpu.

Think I may stick with Ryzen and play the long game.
 
had an i7 860@4Ghz and upgrade to i5 7600k and saw 10+ FPS increase with any GPU so switching to any newer gen CPU is good either way

https://www.kitguru.net/components/...-and-core-i5-8400-with-z370-aorus-gaming-7/4/

you can build the same priced Intel or Ryzen system which is good times finally !

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as you know- pro and cons - exciting though - finally having to really think about which CPU to choose at a solid pricing point that offer stunning performance - been a while
 
I was set on the 1700...I am now torn with the above, or even drop the 1700 to a 1600 and spend a little more on a case.

Like I say plan is 4 - 5 years, either of the above allows me to do that however I could maybe get away with a £150 - £200 cpu in say 4 years time (or even less second hand) and pop into the AM4 board to last another few years.

Decisions decisions!
 
GinG said:
I was set on the 1700...I am now torn with the above, or even drop the 1700 to a 1600 and spend a little more on a case.

Like I say plan is 4 - 5 years, either of the above allows me to do that however I could maybe get away with a £150 - £200 cpu in say 4 years time (or even less second hand) and pop into the AM4 board to last another few years.

Decisions decisions!
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Get the 1600, sell the gtx 980 and buy gtx 1070 with the money saved /gained ;)

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Yes overkill.... But I like to be that person on here that wears the red cape and sits on your shoulder :D
 
orbitalwalsh said:
Get the 1600, sell the gtx 980 and buy gtx 1070 with the money saved /gained ;)

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Yes overkill.... But I like to be that person on here that wears the red cape and sits on your shoulder :D
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To be honest you must have read my mind...been doing the figures on this. What sort of price would I be looking at for the 980? Was kind of thinking maybe selling case, motherboard, ram & cpu along with h100i for around £300...
 
No idea, hit members market and list open for sensible offers :)

seems GTX 980 on ebay hits £150 odd i believe

I forgot to mention since you like some RGB.. Phanteks halo fan covers looks awesome and will link to the Gigabyte z370/b350 rgb header :D
Actually prefer these to naked led strips as they are nicely diffused and actually give out a nice bit of light!

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I've literally just built a new system with a Ryzen R7 1700 and a GTX 1080 Hybrid in it.

I've got the 1700 clocked at 3.9GHz after effectively just fooling around in the BIOS. Good thing about Ryzen is you can use Ryzen Master Software to tinker with an overclock and then once you've got a good idea where you are with temperature and voltage you can set it in the BIOS for a bit of fine tuning without doing multiple restarts.

I'm getting great frame rates in Battlefield 1 multiplayer with all settings on ultra and 1440p it is almost always over 100fps with some dips to about 80.

I bought Ryzen though because I just wanted one. I wanted something different and I must say I get what people are saying when they say it is a smoother experience.

All that aside, the new i5 8400 is very compelling, especially with the need to delid to get a substantial overclock now I wouldn't bother. Just get the 8400 and be done with it. If you aren't going to overclock then there's no need to buy an overclocking motherboard so save money there too.

If I were to build a gaming PC for a friend I would be building an i5 8400 based system that's for sure. For me, and my need to always want to tinker, I went with Ryzen and it's newer architecture.
 
TallPaul1878 said:
I've literally just built a new system with a Ryzen R7 1700 and a GTX 1080 Hybrid in it.

I've got the 1700 clocked at 3.9GHz after effectively just fooling around in the BIOS. Good thing about Ryzen is you can use Ryzen Master Software to tinker with an overclock and then once you've got a good idea where you are with temperature and voltage you can set it in the BIOS for a bit of fine tuning without doing multiple restarts.

I'm getting great frame rates in Battlefield 1 multiplayer with all settings on ultra and 1440p it is almost always over 100fps with some dips to about 80.

I bought Ryzen though because I just wanted one. I wanted something different and I must say I get what people are saying when they say it is a smoother experience.

All that aside, the new i5 8400 is very compelling, especially with the need to delid to get a substantial overclock now I wouldn't bother. Just get the 8400 and be done with it. If you aren't going to overclock then there's no need to buy an overclocking motherboard so save money there too.

If I were to build a gaming PC for a friend I would be building an i5 8400 based system that's for sure. For me, and my need to always want to tinker, I went with Ryzen and it's newer architecture.
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im sure as the bios matures for all vendors, they fined a way to hard lock the 3.8 Boost- but seems in games it constantly holds that across all cores- could be a heat related thing- which make me want to de-lid it ... hahaha
also sure they'll do the blck increase thing that ASrock and few others did with the z170 before it got locked down! lol

thank you amd finally! guessing we can also thank them for 1070 ti- a 1080 without the expensive fancy ram haha
 
orbitalwalsh said:
im sure as the bios matures for all vendors, they fined a way to hard lock the 3.8 Boost- but seems in games it constantly holds that across all cores- could be a heat related thing- which make me want to de-lid it ... hahaha
also sure they'll do the blck increase thing that ASrock and few others did with the z170 before it got locked down! lol

thank you amd finally! guessing we can also thank them for 1070 ti- a 1080 without the expensive fancy ram haha
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Yea I can't see it lasting. At this rate the 8400 will be cannibalising all of the 8600k sales as well as eating into i7 sales. They'll be sure to make some "alterations" once the launch buzz dies down and all the reviews are in.
 
TallPaul1878 said:
Yea I can't see it lasting. At this rate the 8400 will be cannibalising all of the 8600k sales as well as eating into i7 sales. They'll be sure to make some "alterations" once the launch buzz dies down and all the reviews are in.
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simple solution- the price goes up :D haha. the 8700 to 8700k is only £20-30 difference , why the 8400 to the 8600k is a bigger gap- or in reality to big , i dont know. unless a 8500 will come into the wings later when chip dies increase
 
GinG said:
I was set on the 1700...I am now torn with the above, or even drop the 1700 to a 1600 and spend a little more on a case.

Like I say plan is 4 - 5 years, either of the above allows me to do that however I could maybe get away with a £150 - £200 cpu in say 4 years time (or even less second hand) and pop into the AM4 board to last another few years.

Decisions decisions!
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The R7 1700 doesn't really have any advantage over the R5 1600 if you are just gaming. The Techpowerup link below shows you BF1 framerates @ 1080p with a GTX 1080 gpu. Looks like Ryzen doesn't fare too badly against the 8600K or 8700K for that particular game.


https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i5_8600K/12.html
 
lee32uk said:
The R7 1700 doesn't really have any advantage over the R5 1600 if you are just gaming. The Techpowerup link below shows you BF1 framerates @ 1080p with a GTX 1080 gpu. Looks like Ryzen doesn't fare too badly against the 8600K or 8700K for that particular game.


https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i5_8600K/12.html
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I had seen this just earlier today actually, and to be honest i'm not sure if I should just go for a 1600...hold of GPU for the time being and maybe splash a bit more cash on the Case and a bit of bling.
 
GinG said:
I had seen this just earlier today actually, and to be honest i'm not sure if I should just go for a 1600...hold of GPU for the time being and maybe splash a bit more cash on the Case and a bit of bling.
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in theory with all the youtube videos (ok thats the 1500x but add a few more fps) seems 10fps average ?


your 980 should get some extra FPS- and wait till the 1070 Ti is coming- might force the 1070 price down! have a feeling miners will be all over it to be honest
 
GWANGY said:
Dont spend any money on bling .. wait till after xmas and fairy lights will be ten a penny :D
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To be honest I think I am going to save my money and not buy a case and just re-use my current one and maybe refresh next year.

Main thing I want now is best bang for buck and I am now swayed on the 8400 I think.
 
GinG said:
To be honest I think I am going to save my money and not buy a case and just re-use my current one and maybe refresh next year.

Main thing I want now is best bang for buck and I am now swayed on the 8400 I think.
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i think i saw a chart stating the 8400 has been best performance per dollar for intel by a good margin compared to all other chips they'd released , followed by i3 8100. prob why it will only live on the z370/b360 chipset - seems as well its worth getting it on the z370 as stock ram speed to 3000+ does make a difference in gaming like ryzen .

just found out my i5 k has been shipped as i forgot to cancel- now have a 1600, 8400 and 8600k lol
 
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