Watch BBC2 tonight at 8pm

The Pedal (on the left):

MCLAREN-3RD-PEDAL.jpg


The Car, the (coincidentally named) McLaren MP4/12 from the 1997 season:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLaren_MP4/12

It was a 3rd pedal, or second brake pedal. The guy on the program just got it wrong, probably because he was stood next to the MP4/1 which would have had 3 pedals.
 
1) You have no idea thats the car they were talking about

2) McLaren's internal marketing /legal team would have fact checked EVERY detail before it was broadcast, I doubt they would have let that go


I still believe they were talking about a car that had a foot clutch rather than a hand clutch that was present in the late 90's (and still present today)
 
Ok, care to provide details on this mystical car then?

Seen as you seem so keen to dismiss the claim it was the 1997 car, even after being shown details of the 1997 car, confirmation of what the technology did, and the actual photograph taken by Darren Heath that was mentioned in the TV show.

Not to mention, if brake steer was used on an earlier car, and banned, how did McLaren use it for the 1997 season before it was banned, aparently, for the second time?

Rather than accept that a guy from McLaren might have just said something wrong, you have actually invented some fictional F1 history, and dismissed the truth, even when presented with the full details and photographs in question, just to try to fuel an argument on a forum.

:confused:
 
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FrankJH said:
2) McLaren's internal marketing /legal team would have fact checked EVERY detail before it was broadcast, I doubt they would have let that go
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I wouldn't be too sure, I swear voice over guy said something about fitting the pistons in the heads at some point.
 
Skeeter said:
Ok, care to provide details on this mystical car then?

Seen as you seem so keen to dismiss the claim it was the 1997 car, even after being shown details of the 1997 car, confirmation of what the technology did, and the actual photograph taken by Darren Heath that was mentioned in the TV show.

Not to mention, if brake steer was used on an earlier car, and banned, how did McLaren use it for the 1997 season before it was banned, aparently, for the second time?

Rather than accept that a guy from McLaren might have just said something wrong, you have actually invented some fictional F1 history, and dismissed the truth, even when presented with the full details and photographs in question, just to try to fuel an argument on a forum.

:confused:
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There is NO mention in the program which car it was - so you could easily be adding 2 + 2 and making 5

You are going way over the top

I never doubted anything about the late 90's car, I was following f1 at the time I remember it clearly.

ALL I have ever stated is that there is no direct corrolation between the program and that particular pedal on that car (after all F1 constantly develops different ways to do the same thing time after time to surcumvent the current rules) - you are just making an assumption that the guy made a mistake.

As described in the program (even if people didnt know before) Ron Dennis is highly attentive to every detail. I suspect he would expect the same from everyone at McLaren. If there was such a huge / basic mistake I just cant see that being broadcast.

(as for any mistake by the voiceover - that isnt for anyone at McLaren to correct, as they are a BBC employee , and its regarding standard engine workings rather than something specific to McLaren)
 
Zuban said:
I heard that and though eh!, unless the cylinder liners screw into the heads in which case i guess that could be sort of true.
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It was terrible for accuracy, it was like nobody checked the writing at all.

The engine's apparently two four stroke engines bolted together
Pistons are apparently assembled in to the heads
Exhaust gases force the exhaust valves open!
McLaren don't even make the engine like it was implied in the show
 
I thought it was the MP4/1 that they were mentioning about the 4th pedal - at least that was the chassis he was leaning on at the time the "camera down the footwell" miming took place...?
 
timbob said:
I thought it was the MP4/1 that they were mentioning about the 4th pedal - at least that was the chassis he was leaning on at the time the "camera down the footwell" miming took place...?
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They were just showing the MP4/1 because of it being the first carbon car McLaren had made, the guy was just telling his story next to it.
 
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