Water-cooled mini ITX build!?

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Hi, this will be my first post to the forums! :p

I've decided to start a small project to change from my current full-tower ATX build to a small ITX build. I'm usually pretty competent when it comes to my builds, but I've never attempted something like this before so I thought I'd ask for some advice.

Firstly, I'll start by telling you my situation. I currently have a custom water-cooled machine in a Corsair 800D. The problem is it's big, full of water and it's heavier than I can lift and I will be moving out this year to study at university so - as much as I hate to say it - I need something more practical. I really like my current computer the way it is, it runs everything and glows UV blue and is pretty much exactly how I want it. I didn't plan to change it at all, except maybe the CPU if the new Haswell chips showed promise (I nearly upgraded to Sandybridge E tbh), but now I pretty much have to do something since the system is HUGE, weighs a tonne and I'll be living in digs in a matter of months! :(

So, I've decided to get a mini ITX PC, but with a custom water-cooler and that's where it becomes a challenge.

My current specs are;

Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R Mobo
Intel Core i7 930 2.66Ghz @ 4.00Ghz
2x POV GTX 670 Ultra Charged in SLi
12GB Patriot Viper DDR3-1600Mhz
Corsair HX1050 Modular 1050W PSU
Corsair Force 3 120GB SSD
WD Caviar Black 2TB SATAIII 6GB/s HDD

The plan is to condense it all into an i7 Ivybridge mini ITX build with a GTX690 and 16GB memory, and water cool it in a black Bitfenix Prodigy. (with mayhems pastel white liquid, in case you wondered! :p)

The problems are;

1) I have no idea what motherboard would be best suited for my needs, I'm not very clued up on mini-ITX motherboards. I'd like to overclock my CPU but I'm not sure how well a mini-ITX mobo would overclock. Any advice? Preferably one that fits a black and white colour scheme.. :D

2) The CPU I'm choosing is an Ivybridge, though what I really wanted was a socket 2011 (SB-E) but the smallest 2011 mobo is micro ATX and there are very few micro ATX cases with decent water-cooling options. Is Ivy bridge a good upgrade, or do I wait a month or two and get the newer chipset (assuming it comes in mini ITX)?

(Just out of curiosity, did they make 1366 mini-ITX mobos? That would be sweet!)

4) I've chosen to sell my GTX670s (with their original coolers, not with the waterblocks) and get a GTX690, since it's essentially SLi in a single PCIe slot, which is awesome and a lot of the benchmarks are saying it beats 2 670s. The main reason for the 690 is because I want to retain my current SLi performance in the smaller space. Is this a good move or a waste of money (given the lack of space)?

5) I've done many builds and some water-cooling (all full ATX), but never have I built a loop in a mini-ITX case! I've seen pictures of water-cooled ITX rigs and can't work out how they've managed to plumb it all in with such little space! I need a little advice on how I'd do it, what radiators to get and where to put them and such. The Bitfenix prodigy supports a dual 120 rad on the top and a single - I think 140? - rad on the front. :confused:
Would it fit an XTX rad or would I need a slim rad and despite the fact the case supports rads on the top and bottom, is there enough tube space for 2 rads (e.g. 1/2" ID Tubing)? I'd like to get as much surface area as possible, so any advice in this area would be great!

5.1) Following on from #5; in my current build I have a D5 pump and top, with an EK-250 tube reservoir. Obviously the res is huge and I'll need a new one, but would that big pump have to go too? Not sure if it's too big since every ITX build I've seen has a little pump/res combo and the big D5 is - to my knowledge - for big loops like the one I currently have.

6) A minor issue, but since I've started here I may as well ask here.. I want to modify the case so that it has a plexi side-panel window, so you can see all the tubing etc.. Never modded a case in my life (in that I've never cut one up, lol) where do I begin? Does anyone do it professionally, because I know I'd screw up royally! My 800D has a huge plexi window and it looks brilliant, I want something like that, but on a tiny case.

That's pretty much everything, I'm very indecisive at the moment and just need some external opinions so I can make a decision! Anybody with some experience with mini-ITX water-cooling and/or ITX motherboards, I'd love to hear your thoughts! :)

Thanks for taking the time to read this and many thanks in advance for any advice or tips you guys can give me!

Hope you all had a great new year, happy 2013 to you all!

WorLad :D
 
6) A minor issue, but since I've started here I may as well ask here.. I want to modify the case so that it has a plexi side-panel window, so you can see all the tubing etc.. Never modded a case in my life (in that I've never cut one up, lol) where do I begin? Does anyone do it professionally, because I know I'd screw up royally! My 800D has a huge plexi window and it looks brilliant, I want something like that, but on a tiny case.

Looks like I've found a place that does it, awesome!! :D

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EDIT: Sorry, lol!
 
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Awesome little setup!

Yeah, PSU space was something I was a little worried about. My HX1050 is quite a long PSU, I have seen people do it tho so it should be alright.

I'm just wondering how well I'll squeeze a 690 in there, the 670s are tiny with their waterblocks on.. makes me wonder why I've got such a big case to begin with! :D

So what pump and res have you got in there?

I went with the Asrock motherboard

Just to clarify, you mean the Z77 don't you? Also have you overclocked your CPU on that board?
 
yes I need help moving my 700D with its water gear, a 60 x 60cm block weighing over 20kg is the definition of awkward to lift.

I do like the idea of these sleeping beast mini ITX builds and I would have to watercool as well.

Good luck sounds like you're building to a very nice spec.

PICs!:D

I'll be posting pics when I start, which won't be for a little while yet, maybe a month or so. I have my case so I'll post pics of that in a couple of days when I get my camera back from my friend - if you'd like. It is a black prodigy with a custom plexi side-panel (not an official BitFenix one!).

I am in the same position and have recently dismantled my watercooled rig in my Corsair 700D and just want something small and nippy now. That said i am not after raw gaming power as i dont pc game anymore. I want something nice and compact but unfortunately, although people like them, the Prodigy isnt small at all. I have actually seen MATX Cases that are a fair bit smaller.

Yeah, I know what you mean, the prodigy is fairly large compared to other ITX cases, but it doesn't bother me too much. Firstly I like the space you have for water-cooling, it can fit more radiators than my 800D, which is incredibly impressive. Secondly I'm not in the market for a tiny case, just one that looks good, can be water-cooled and is compact and convenient for university digs; the prodigy ticks all those boxes. When compared with its ITX competition, it's fairly large, but when compared with an 800D it's a considerable difference, especially when you need to get it up 3 flights of stairs. ;)
 
You end up with a very compact box. It's a bit prone to overheating and not quite as quiet as a larger box. You can't get temperatures as low as you can't fit as much radiator surface area. It's a tear-down-and-rebuild-from-scratch job if you need to change the graphics card. I don't think it's worth the hassle.

Firstly if you want it to be quiet you get high-pressure, low RPM fans; you don't need 2000RPM hair dryers to keep a system cool.

Secondly, you can in-fact fit more radiator surface area in the BitFenix Prodigy than I have in my 800D; a 240 in the top and a 140, 200 or 240 in the front would give you more surface area than a triple-rad, which is more than sufficient to cool what I intend to cool.

Thirdly, if you are water-cooling, changing your graphics card(s) is going to be more of a hassle than an air cooled card whatever form factor you choose, but it's certainly not a "tear-down-and-rebuild-from-scratch job", it's more of a "drain your loop and remove the card, fit water-block to new card, fit new card into system, refill loop" it's only one part of a loop so I don't see where you get "rebuild-from-scratch" from.

Small form factors are nice, but watercooling them is not the optimal choice.

Water-cooling is probably more appropriate in a small form factor system if anything. With the small amount of space in those cases you can barely get enough airflow through it to cool a single GPU graphics card, never mind a dual-GPU card, which makes water-cooling an ideal solution to cool such a small form factor computer.
 
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Ok guys, what do you think of this;

At the top
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=WC-032-BX

At the front
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=WC-014-BX&groupid=962&catid=1523&subcat=1524

I would usually go for EK but thought these lower profile rads would save some space.
Also, I'm going for a 140 in the front in the hopes that I'll be able to squeeze in the bottom section of the hard-drive bays. The fans will all be in a pull config from front to top and back.


Here's some photos of the case anyway.. not like you haven't seen a BitFenix Prodigy before, but this is mine, lol! There's also a colourful example of what I intend to do and where everything could go.

The first photo is blurry since it was done in a hurry, but I'll be posting more soon anyway!







This is the pump/res combo:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=WC-006-TL
 
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Ok well I've just ordered the rads, some fans and the pump/res combo from Overclockers. I'm going to try them out for size before I buy any water-blocks or fittings etc..

I'll take photos when they're fitted and show you how it looks and see if the idea of keeping those HDD bays in was a big fail after all, lol.
 
Not sure you can actually fit 12GB of RAM onto any ITX mobo :S

Not sure what you mean?

I have 12GB in my current system, but that's 6x2GB tri-channel modules and full ATX. My ITX will have 16GB of dual-channel.

You can't get 2x6GB memory modules if that's what you mean. You can get 16GB though in 2x8GB dual-channel modules, that's about as much as you'll get in 2 DIMMs, which is what I'm doing.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-351-CS&groupid=701&catid=8&subcat=1387

Not sure how it's pertinent to this thread tho... :confused:
 
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Yea I have many old fans I could use, and I get what you're saying, but my purpose is to mount the two 120mm fans externally, on the top of the case, but I don't just want two fans sticking out, I want a shroud similar to the Koolance ones to make it blend seamlessly into the design of the case. The problem is Koolance only do 3x 120mm and 2x 140mm shrouds.
 
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