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Biffa

Biffa

Biffa

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As a team we are now 4th in Seti@Home :(

We were passed by BroadbandReports.com Team Starfire earlier this month and have just been passed by Czech National Team in the last 24-48 hours.

A minutes silence for the passing of a once great team.

Now that you've all finished crying into your beer, heres the future.

We will be overtaken by the following shortly:

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 	                          Days
SETI@Netherlands	         11.5
L'Alliance Francophone	         25.1
SETI.USA	                 73.4
BOINC Synergy	                102.0
Hardware Upgrade - Seti@home	137.4

Shame really, I know we lost MoS and the big hitters in the switchover, and everyone has their ups and downs with regards output, just look at my erratic output! :D Just wish we could get our top 3 back, that would probably have kept us at #2 for some time.

As has been discussed in another thread we are too fragmented, maybe its time to pick another project and dominate in that, if we can, not sure myself, I've been so dedicated to S@H for so long that I can't see myself doing anything else right now so I guess I'll just plug away.

Mind you, might all be for naught if they run out of cash ay.

Chin up chaps. Maybe we can pull one out of the hat. :D
 
Biffa said:
As a team we are now 4th in Seti@Home :(

We were passed by BroadbandReports.com Team Starfire earlier this month and have just been passed by Czech National Team in the last 24-48 hours.

A minutes silence for the passing of a once great team.

Now that you've all finished crying into your beer, heres the future.

We will be overtaken by the following shortly:

Code: 
 	                          Days
SETI@Netherlands	         11.5
L'Alliance Francophone	         25.1
SETI.USA	                 73.4
BOINC Synergy	                102.0
Hardware Upgrade - Seti@home	137.4

Shame really, I know we lost MoS and the big hitters in the switchover, and everyone has their ups and downs with regards output, just look at my erratic output! :D Just wish we could get our top 3 back, that would probably have kept us at #2 for some time.

As has been discussed in another thread we are too fragmented, maybe its time to pick another project and dominate in that, if we can, not sure myself, I've been so dedicated to S@H for so long that I can't see myself doing anything else right now so I guess I'll just plug away.

Mind you, might all be for naught if they run out of cash ay.

Chin up chaps. Maybe we can pull one out of the hat. :D
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Wait till my stats settle down, I bought 4 more p4's today, so I still have 10 more to roll our in the next week or so. All 2.8 HT.

I expect to eventually settle around the 25k a day for seti that should hopefully hold things back.. (this week i've averaged 18k a day, this will settle when I finish the installs)

I'm also looking to swop upto 100 P4 1.8 ghz, for new intel duo or amd dual core, in the comming 8 - 12 months.(in theory 75% of the p4 will remain)

That would see me pushing out an extra 20k a day, or more.

I would like to think that now I'm back, and boinc is stable, things will get better.

I expect by the 3 Big hitters your referring to Richard Smith, Sammael and TJC? Where are they and can't they come back?




As I said in a diff thread, I'm looking at helping out another school due to be built in the comming months, he is quite receptive to having boinc on his systems, he will be furnished with a couple new hundred pc's to add to his current stock.

Obviously I'll make sure he joins oc uk.


Lastly, If you do expect to jump ship, I don't think I can follow and leave boinc, nor can I add another project, so provided its predictor or CPD I'm ok.

If its not, then it would take a few months to migrate accross, as I have a mixture of BR and msi installs out and about.
 
Bulldog66 said:
I expect by the 3 Big hitters your referring to Richard Smith, Sammael and TJC? Where are they and can't they come back?
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Sammael came and did some folding, a hell of a lot of folding actually, but he's ended up being forced to remove all DC software from his school machines now as his boss is an idiot :o

Sorry to see the Seti team has slipped :(
The real shame is not in the few hundred DC participants being scattered accross an ever growing number of projects - it's in the thousands of OcUK Forum visitors who either don't know or don't care about these projects enough to get involved

Like you Biffa I've given by far the most of my DC time to Folding and I don't think there's anything that could tempt me away to another project - I guess when you've found a project you really like then that's that
 
Perhaps we could have a poll to see what the fav project is, and all crunch for that??
Also how would the don's feel about some pimping in the other forums, can't think of a problem if we used GD say.

Babyface UK
 
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I've had this pimping sig for a few months. It's one way of making up for my feeble output. :o

The last pimping thread didn't have a lot of success, and that was when we announced being the top team at the close of SETI Classic.

An SOS may work. Perhaps some Kitchener sigs with 'your forum needs YOU'.
 
babyface uk said:
Perhaps we could have a poll to see what the fav project is, and all crunch for that?
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This is been discussed before, especially in the SETI Classic Push thread when we thought we'd lost. I don't think it would work thogh. SETI peeps like SETI. Foldy types like folding. All the BOINC projects are designed to nicely coexist with other projects so there is little chance in convincing people to stop crunching their choice projects to covert to someone else's coice, even is that new project is the result of a pubic opinion poll.

If SETI went belly-up due to lack of funding it might change things but I think if they got into serious enough trouble somebody would step forward and lend a hand, even if it was just to sort their difficulties had when trying to accept donations.
 
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BillytheImpaler said:
This is been discussed before, especially in the SETI Classic Push thread when we thought we'd lost. I don't think it would work thogh. SETI peeps like SETI. Foldy types like folding. All the BOINC projects are designed to nicely coexist with other projects so there is little chance in convincing people to stop crunching their choice projects to covert to someone else's coice, even is that new project is the result of a pubic opinion poll.
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Yea, I know what you mean, can't really send the boys round to sort out crunchers who won't go with the poll results. :D

Will have to see if Seti can sort out there funding options, perhaps they could run with Astropulse as it has some ( more likly to get funding ) scientific value than say seti does, then sneak seti back in on the side.

We will have to see.

Babyface UK
 
What we need as well is some kind of newsletter, similar to the folding@home one so things like this can be broadcast before they happen.




P.s If anyone is interested in donating some funds im sure i could increase my and OCUK's output with a few new computers. ;)
 
the thing with boink is its harder to borg PCs with it.
seti classic command line could be setup to work silently, no-one need know its there!
folding works like that kinda, not quite the same tho, I used to run SetiQ and have all the clients I'd installed go though it, but can't do that with boink.
also, theres no tiffys, no stashing so no more races etc, its just not as fun!
I wonder if MOS ever even checks these forums anymore, would be nice to know what he thinks about things now
 
I just don't think there's the interest in SETI that there used to be. When SETI Classic was young, it was the only DC project so SETI and DC were the same thing. By the time Classic changed to BOINC, many people took the opportunity to switch either to other BOINC projects or to Folding. I think many people were frustrated at the amount of downtime Berkeley had in the early days of BOINC, which pushed them towards Folding. Then there's the nagging doubt that SETI may ultimately be fruitless so all those crunching hours were wasted. With Folding, you know that you are contributing to something which is genuinely beneficial to society. SETI is a bit of an all-or-nothing thing - if something were discovered it would be fantastic but we have to realise that that is unlikely.

My personal bugbear with BOINC is the crediting system. I want to know how many points I've received today, this week, this month. Take Rich's stats posts for Folding - that would be hard to do with SETI-BOINC, because the amount of credit granted would depend on how many WUs were validated that week rather than how many were actually crunched. Personally I believe that the BOINC system may be fair but it simply isn't exciting. The statistics will always be secondary to the science of the project and simply a mechanism for maintaining interest, so the fun factor is key. Stats are about team spirit, about cameraderie, and all of that has kinda died a death with BOINC.

Each to his own, of course. :) That's why forcing people into one specific project won't work. The team is small enough already without strongarming people into leaving.

Rich is right about the number of people here who don't know or care about the DC team. By rights, the team should be much bigger than it is. Folding, for example, seems to get the most publicity these days. Our Folding team barely manages 100 active members - and that on a forum with tens of thousands. Whenever we make a DC recruitment thread, the whole thing seems to be viewed with a large degree of skepticism. We need to find a more effective way to appeal to GD, since I think that is the core of the forum these days and the 'glue' which holds it together, where members in the hardware forums tend to be completely separate and also more transient. I also believe that this forum has grown much less technically-oriented as the focus of the forum has shifted away from the hardware forums and towards the lifestyle forums, presenting a problem for us as many in GD, for example, are not massively interested in computers and can be difficult to win round. Perhaps that, along with the fragmentation caused by many different projects, is why we are declining.
 
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VeNT said:
the thing with boink is its harder to borg PCs with it.
seti classic command line could be setup to work silently, no-one need know its there!
folding works like that kinda, not quite the same tho, I used to run SetiQ and have all the clients I'd installed go though it, but can't do that with boink.
also, theres no tiffys, no stashing so no more races etc, its just not as fun!
I wonder if MOS ever even checks these forums anymore, would be nice to know what he thinks about things now
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Sorry mate there is a lot of misleading comments in there I have to put right.

Boinc is as easy to borg with as sei classic was. Just install it on one PC copy the files necessary over to the BR script folders and distribute it out. Silent and just as "silent" as the old version with a bit of tweaking.

Its a CLI just like seti classic and CLI Folding.

Yes there is no setiQ, but there isn't for any other Distributed Networking application either but you can set the client to cache easily.

There are tiffys, there is no stashing admitedly (although you can do it a bit) but thats by intention and there isn't really with any other application (Folding) either.

The MoS guys were absent most of the time during seti classic, don't think they will ever show up again personally. :(
 
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Biffa said:
Boinc is as easy to borg with as sei classic was. Just install it on one PC copy the files necessary over to the BR script folders and distribute it out. Silent and just as "silent" as the old version with a bit of tweaking.

Its a CLI just like seti classic and CLI Folding.

Yes there is no setiQ, but there isn't for any other Distributed Networking application either but you can set the client to cache easily.

There are tiffys, there is no stashing admitedly (although you can do it a bit) but thats by intention and there isn't really with any other application (Folding) either.

The MoS guys were absent most of the time during seti classic, don't think they will ever show up again personally. :(
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Playing devils advocate, it was harder to get working than seti classic however, like most things in life,, change is allways difficult and when something new comes out ppl will struggle untill they learn the new ways.


On a more positive note,,,,, I've decided to shift 80% of all cpu time to seti for the time being,, not just to stomp the odd person.. But to also try and slow down the teams demise in the ranks..

I'm hoping that the sight of a bulldog crashing up through the ranks might,, tempt one or two of you slackers into more output... And thus save the team the embarassment of being over taken by,,, some yokel jawed team from inbred city. :p
 
Bully you are my new hero :D

I would help but I've been out of work for three weeks :p so all I have is my farm at home, no nice new boxen to burn in or stress test :(
 
Ah Bulldog66, your the one that stomped me a while ago, and no parp either :rolleyes:
Well I'm trying to up my output as much as poss but can't seem to get any more out of my rigs than 1600-1700 a day! been looking for the optimised clients for Xeon's and the Barton but can't get them to work, get prob's and lose all the cached WU's
Xeon takes 1.54 (x4), P4 takes 1.36 (x2) and the 2600+barton takes 3.03 (x1) Would have thought the dual Xeon would have walked all over the P4 even thought its not on 24/7 as the P4 is but it only averages about 100 coblies more (its on from 7am ish till 1am ish)
If anyone can point me in the right direction I would be glad to try a bit harder!!!!!
Oh and they are all overclocked already of course :D
 
h2ocooler said:
Ah Bulldog66, your the one that stomped me a while ago, and no parp either :rolleyes:
:D
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Sorry but took a while to find my way round the sites to find out who was to be parped.

I'm trying to give upto 30 days notice now,, however,, that is turing into 2 weeks.

Hopefully i'll settle down and as I approach the top guns, stomps will be more controlled.
 
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