Weapons found in schools up 20%
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Teacher would hesitate student would get the weapon teacher would end up sprayed/tasered repetedly
Hmmm if they were going to attack the teacher I don't see why they'd use the taser/spray if they already had a weapon, yes some would hesitate but having a choice is better than being completely unarmed.
Really?
Because they get to taser the person they wanted to hurt.
Pretty simple really
When they were already going to say, stab/slash them with a knife? I don't think so.
Surely being tasered is better in that case anyway as it'll likely be non-fatal and gives time for students/authorities to respond.
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Disagree with arming teachers to give them a choice. This is the same argument as the US gun ownership argument, 'better to have it and not need it than have it and need it'.
Kids a mischievous, crafty and practised in the art of deceiving their teachers. If you think putting a weapon in the classroom is going to make anyone safer, regardless of who's hip it will be strapped on, then you are mistaken.
Put a taser in there and imagine how tempted some of the scummier pupils will bet to get their hands on it.
Kids a mischievous, crafty and practised in the art of deceiving their teachers. If you think putting a weapon in the classroom is going to make anyone safer, regardless of who's hip it will be strapped on, then you are mistaken.
Put a taser in there and imagine how tempted some of the scummier pupils will bet to get their hands on it.
FACT: Otters have a pet rock. They keep it with them at all times in a special little pouch.
On topic - doesn't surprise me in the slightest. I've mentioned on here so many times the falling levels of discipline that kids are subjected to and people then wonder why there's an outcome like this?
Another example - 9 kids (13, 14 and 15) brought air pistols into my gf's school last year and started shooting at people. Why the hell thinks that's a good idea? School didn't get the police involved because they didn't want the -ve media attention...
It's far from the same argument in reality, being shot is very likely to kill you, is far easier to carry out and can cause multiple deaths within seconds.
We're talking about knife crime where it requires the attacker to be close to the teacher before harm can be made. Obviously, precautions need to be put in place but if weapon numbers are growing then simply sitting back and allowing these attacks to be made with very little chance of slowing or preventing them seems a poor choice. I'm not sure what the alternative is.
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You think a taser is safe to use in a classroom crammed with 30 other innocent students at a close proximity, likely in an environment where everyone is running around panicking?
I cant imagine any teacher actually wanting to carry one let alone be willing to use it on a student.
I am sure tasers are safe for most adults but children? No i think that is a terrible idea. Students will get a hold of it for a laugh and it will cause more damage than good when no incidents occur. When an incident does occur, then a taser in the hands of even trained people in that environment is not safe to use. You dont think a student will try and get out the way of a taser pointed at them? ofc they will, miss and you have a whole class behind the attacker to hit.
Your suggestion of putting more dangerous objects in each classrooms is foolish.
Alternative?
Have all the worst troublemakers taught via skype or whatever in a room supervised by security instead of a teacher. You can't prevent every incident but you can certainly reduce the chances of them happening. Metal detectors at the particularly 'bad' school entrances is another move.
I cant imagine any teacher actually wanting to carry one let alone be willing to use it on a student.
I am sure tasers are safe for most adults but children? No i think that is a terrible idea. Students will get a hold of it for a laugh and it will cause more damage than good when no incidents occur. When an incident does occur, then a taser in the hands of even trained people in that environment is not safe to use. You dont think a student will try and get out the way of a taser pointed at them? ofc they will, miss and you have a whole class behind the attacker to hit.
Your suggestion of putting more dangerous objects in each classrooms is foolish.
Alternative?
Have all the worst troublemakers taught via skype or whatever in a room supervised by security instead of a teacher. You can't prevent every incident but you can certainly reduce the chances of them happening. Metal detectors at the particularly 'bad' school entrances is another move.
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the issue is that any weapon has the potential to be stolen, and then used against its owner. plus bearing in mind a knife conflict doesn't always involve standing around showboating before going to attack someone, its just as possible for them to sneak up keeping the weapon hidden and use it unsuspectingly.
these people we're talking about are teachers, they became teachers because thats what they want to do- educate kids, and how likely do you think someone who wants to help children is to taser them without hesitating? with the timing and accuracy required to make a single shot hit (afaik the majority of current taser models are single shot or not very many). how likely is it they'll keep it in their desk drawer where it's damn all use if something does kick off and easy to steal?
the enforcement needs to start earlier- at home is best, but failing that as avenged mentioned the use of metal detectors and online teaching for known offenders will be better than introducing tasers.
Most students who've carried out attacks weren't seen as troublemakers or violent, so how exactly you plan to round all these would be attackers up for a skype session I have no idea.
It's all well and good if you can metal detector, every student, every day, every time they leave and return to the building but anyone carrying out murder will likely only bring that knife in on the day they wish to do it.
It's all well and good if you can metal detector, every student, every day, every time they leave and return to the building but anyone carrying out murder will likely only bring that knife in on the day they wish to do it.
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Like i said, you cant stop all attacks. Putting a taser in the classroom is counter productive and stupid.
Stealing it will become the holy grail of pranks.
Stealing it will become the holy grail of pranks.
A prank that would see the pupil permanently excluded I imagine, and one that even if carried out would unlikely result in the pupil actually using it.
Heck, it may be a poor suggestion and doesn't necessarily have to be a taser but at least there'd be a deterrent there other than a 20-year sentence for someone who's already given up on life.
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A prank that will get you excluded if caught, yes but I am sure carrying any weapon will get you excluded if caught and lets not fool ourselves into thinking that most students get caught or intend to use the weapons.
I carried a knife into school a few times, during secondary school. I had it lanyarded around my right wrist, and tucked under my shirt sleeve and jumper sleeve.
After being bullied day in, day out, week in, week out, ignored by teachers, and being unable to do anything about it - I felt I didn't have many other options. I genuinely felt that if certain individuals had picked that day to bully me, they may have been in for a nasty surprise. Luckily for them, and for me, it didn't happen.
After being bullied day in, day out, week in, week out, ignored by teachers, and being unable to do anything about it - I felt I didn't have many other options. I genuinely felt that if certain individuals had picked that day to bully me, they may have been in for a nasty surprise. Luckily for them, and for me, it didn't happen.
Why would it be a knife? And why would it be instead?
You seriously think if somone wrestles a taser off somone they aint going to use ir repetesly on them?
That was the subject we were on...
If they were intending to assault them with a knife I think they'd just use that instead if they avoided/removed the taser from the teacher.
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And whats to say they wouldnt use it on another student? Steal it from a desk drawer and use it as a prank, which lets face it is exactly the sort of thing kids would do as a stupid joke let alone any malicious intent.
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Back when I was at school nearly every lad had some sort of knife on them, and yet I can't remember a single instance of anyone ever getting stabbed.