Web Design Cost £3000+?

Hi I was informed of this thread and I am the person who set up Solutions Four, and who submitted the quote, at first I felt the comments were a bit harsh, but I have to thank you all its helped me out so cheers. I have already started to make the improvements and we will get round to them all.
One thing I will say about us being to cheap, we are still learning and the company was set up to help others I know it sounds cheesy but sometimes its not about the money but more about the experience. I mean this thanks!;)
 
Using ASP.NET is abit of an overkill is it not unless its content managed?

Sounds like, what you need it just a static site with html and css.

I agree the cost is far if ASP.NET is required.
 
wow, such a crazy price... if someone asked me to make them a site like that for 50quid i'd say yeah (being a student) :P
 
Not too crazy when you consider a company who has to charge around £400 a day to cover costs and the site takes, say, 10 days to build. Because you're a student you don't have these overheads and so of course you can charge £50 :-)

However if I was after a website I'd still take my business to a company charging £3000 for the work, than a student charging £50. Well, actually I'd build it myself but you get the point.
 
ultim said:
Using ASP.NET is abit of an overkill is it not unless its content managed?

Sounds like, what you need it just a static site with html and css.

I agree the cost is far if ASP.NET is required.
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It says in the OP he is getting a CMS. I think this is s a good price. I used to work at a web design agency and that type of setup would be just south of 10k.

The SEO person at the agency used to make sure all the tags were set etc and then bid on Google adwords for clients. There is no magic bullet for SEO and anyone who says here is a liar.

blade007 said:
An example of SEO. What's the use of an ecommerce system, beautifully designed, XHTML compliant, some nice CSS, spent £10K on it but it sells nothing because they'are at Google no 200 ?
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With all the SEO in the world you won't get a new site on the first two pages of Google. A website is a business tool that has to be taken advantaged. It's not a build it and they will come, the company has to promote for it to be use to them. Personally, half the stores i buy form online i learned about from offline sources.

It's akin to them producing a stunning catalog of there goods then leaving it near the till in there shop and expecting it to raise sales.
 
I don't see anything there that needs a database, or a full blown CMS? It may be good value for the proposed work, but I'm not convinced that all that work is necessary. This is basically a static site, that will require minimal updating. Look around at small local outfits and you should be able to get that done for a fraction of the price. You dissent against students and one-man bands on the thread, but for what the OP is actually after, they would be perfect. This is a simple site requiring a nice layout, ease of updating for the menu and news (easily done with any number of scripts, not really worth of a true CMS) and not a lot more.
 
Well he's after news, events and pictures page for a start, which I'd say warrants a CMS since I'd imagine the client would want to update these themselves without having to dive into the source code, and not have to pay the company to update his site all the time.

It's not a "full-blown CMS", but I'd imagine there would have to be some sort of site admin area for the client where he can update website content, which is all a CMS is. Additionally, if the developers have any sense, they'll build the site with one eye on the fact that the client will want to add additional functionality (or change existing functionality) after it has gone live (since they always do), which adds a little time.
 
With all the SEO in the world you won't get a new site on the first two pages of Google. A website is a business tool that has to be taken advantaged. It's not a build it and they will come, the company has to promote for it to be use to them. Personally, half the stores i buy form online i learned about from offline sources.

It's akin to them producing a stunning catalog of there goods then leaving it near the till in there shop and expecting it to raise sales.
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I think you are talking about marketing, rather than SEO.
 
mine is top for its targetted term, but then that is my name and that's not very common so it wasn't hard. It can be done, though
 
blade007 said:
I think you are talking about marketing, rather than SEO.
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You're correct, but the problem is the industry has twisted the term "SEO" to include all sorts of affiliate marketing, link sharing, directory listing, etc that really isn't "optimisation" at all, it's just essentially buying a ranking.

Maybe i'm an idealist but I'd prefer to have the most relevant info delivered by a search, not the company that's spent the most on inbound links.
 
daz said:
My new site was result #3 for it's targetted term on monday (launched it a week ago)... down to #5 today. :*(
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What's the targeted term? If you are a clothes retailer typing dresses in and expecting to be near the top with in a week is stupid. Typing your full trading name or one of your collections name, that's a different matter.

When the lay person hears SEO they assume, in my experience, that there site will be to ranked higher when searching for related keywords to them.
 
LazyManc said:
You're correct, but the problem is the industry has twisted the term "SEO" to include all sorts of affiliate marketing, link sharing, directory listing, etc that really isn't "optimisation" at all, it's just essentially buying a ranking.

Maybe i'm an idealist but I'd prefer to have the most relevant info delivered by a search, not the company that's spent the most on inbound links.
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surely SEO is about more than just links and meta tags, isn't it?

You know there are are a lot of people that dump links in any old random place. That's bad.

What if I SEO'd someone's site and gave them a link and some descritpion from my portfolio, is that a bad link?
 
blade007 said:
surely SEO is about more than just links and meta tags, isn't it?

You know there are are a lot of people that dump links in any old random place. That's bad.

What if I SEO'd someone's site and gave them a link and some descritpion from my portfolio, is that a bad link?
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That's what i'm saying, SEO used to be optimzing the code to perform as well as possible in the search engine natural listings.

Now it's an all-encompassing term for a variety of techniques, many of which have nothing to do with altering the site itself and are more in the field of marketing.

IMO paying a couple of hundred "affilate marketers" to write blog entries about a site to get a higher "natural" listing is underhanded, they're basically using wealth to abuse the system. If they want to buy listings then that's what PayPerClick is for.

Otherwise the search engines just become another paid for directory listing and the information that you actually need is lost under the weight of all the crud.
 
chesterstu said:
What's the targeted term? If you are a clothes retailer typing dresses in and expecting to be near the top with in a week is stupid. Typing your full trading name or one of your collections name, that's a different matter.
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It's "[popular london nightclub] guestlist". Without the speech marks. :o :)
 
LazyManc said:
That's what i'm saying, SEO used to be optimzing the code to perform as well as possible in the search engine natural listings.

Now it's an all-encompassing term for a variety of techniques, many of which have nothing to do with altering the site itself and are more in the field of marketing.

IMO paying a couple of hundred "affilate marketers" to write blog entries about a site to get a higher "natural" listing is underhanded, they're basically using wealth to abuse the system. If they want to buy listings then that's what PayPerClick is for.

Otherwise the search engines just become another paid for directory listing and the information that you actually need is lost under the weight of all the crud.
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so ... do we agree then that there are good ways of doing SEO that's related and not spammy, and poor SEO which just tries to manipulate search engine ranking any way possible ... ?
 
Well i am a designer in my company but i usually pop near the people who are developing the websites and from what i understand there is organic optimisation the one that is made when you are bulding the site in order for the search engines to be able to read the various potions of the website and depending on the company they might also want to invest in getting in sponsored ads in google which is good at first because it takes google some time to index your pages.
Moreover things are becoming more interesting when the site is supposed to be aimed in various countries where you need to optimize the page for people that are going to be searching for the site in different languages in the native languages for example Russian people will prolly go to google.ru and search a relative website in Russian. You have to take this things into consideration and yes in other words SEO is marketing :)
The product doesn't mean so much but the manner you advertise it that counts.
 
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