Weight Lifting...

Macabre · 11 Jan 2007 at 01:04

KaHn said:
2 years is a lot of fat, especially if you factor in puberty, I'm not trying to put you down or anythning but unless you show a pic to back your self up you are probably overweight but dont want to admit it.

KaHn

No I can admit it, its no doubt overweight but im not fat, like my face isn't fat or legs or arms/hands etc, its just the body thats not toned up, but call it overweight/fat if you wish I don't mind at all but im not unhealthy physically, like I can run long distances without having stitches lol. K im posting in the other thread. I have no pics so again put it as overweight/fat.

Also what do you mean 2 years is a lot of fat, I didn't overeat in those 2 years though, alough not much exercise I still eat healthly, and haven't noticed any weight being put on.

ferretmaster · 11 Jan 2007 at 01:11

hmmmmmmmmmm

your a bit chubby then?

NiCkNaMe · 11 Jan 2007 at 01:15

sounds like we've got a fatty in town to me

Macabre · 11 Jan 2007 at 01:18

Shmo · 11 Jan 2007 at 07:59

Sounds like a guy I used to know in college.

"Underneath all this fat is the body of an athlete"

MookJong · 11 Jan 2007 at 08:26

He's not saying your fat he is saying you have a layer of fat over your abs, suerly this isn't hard to understand.

You could look slim and still have a layer of fat hiding the muscle tone underneath.

wordy · 11 Jan 2007 at 09:42

Macabre said:
Looking for an answer from an expert or someone who knows there stuff.

I'll have a go

Macabre said:
I know theres already a thread on this but it seems too far into it, like I don't want to look like the strongest man in the world lol, so I don't want to take any pills for building massive muscles.

Don't worry about that m8, getting on gear will do very little for you unless everything about your training regime is spot on. Training routine, diet & rest. Without these three all the gear in the world won't make you look any better.

Macabre said:
Just "tone" up. Basically I did before but then had a serious illness and then really all the muscles on my stomach kind of went loose or something and its now sort of looks like fat in a way, my arms aren't to bad just same story loose muscle I guess well thats what the doctor said, because I didn't exercise for such a long time it just goes relaxed, loose. If anyone can clarify that.

As has been previously stated toning up is losing bodyfat to increase definition on muscles. I take when taking about toning up you're talking about achieving the type of "men's Heath" magazine look? If so those guys are weightlifters/bodsybuilders and have built the muscle and dieted down to get the definition, they haven't "toned" the muscle up to look like that

Macabre said:
Yeah so I've got the right body size for weight lifting don't worry about that, 6'3 and big (not fat, just like wide shoulder to shoulder span). Legs were always strong as well and seem to be fine but no point in focusing on just one part as I've learned from that other thread. So if anyone gets what im trying to say what do you reconmend at the gym? cause I gotta start going again.

It sounds like you want to build muscle to get bigger then diet down. Not wanting to offend but you're in for some hard work. Most Trainers will probably recommend a routine based around compound exercises like:
squats & leg press, (legs)
barbell rowing & Chinups (back)
bench & incline bench pressing, (chest)
Shoulder pressing, (shoulders)
Close grip bench press & Lying Tricep Exetenions (triceps)
Barbell & Dumbell curls (biceps)
You'll flesh out your routine with isolation exercises depending on the equipment in your gym.

at the moment there's no point going crazy with the cardio until you've built the muscle then want to diet down, but at the same time still do a bit just to keep your aerobic fitness at an acceptable level.

Diet:
When wanting to build muscle you will need to take onboard more calories than your body would normally need Try and keep a balanced diet which is something around:
Carbs 50%
Protien 30%-35%
Fat 20%-15% Good fats (like Omega 3) that can be obtained from oily fish.

By the time you've built the muscle and want to diet down you will have worked out your diet and will know what to eat without me having to post it here

Goodluck m8

boycee · 11 Jan 2007 at 09:56

wordy said:
I'll have a go

Don't worry about that m8, getting on gear will do very little for you unless everything about your training regime is spot on. Training routine, diet & rest. Without these three all the gear in the world won't make you look any better.

As has been previously stated toning up is losing bodyfat to increase definition on muscles. I take when taking about toning up you're talking about achieving the type of "men's Heath" magazine look? If so those guys are weightlifters/bodsybuilders and have built the muscle and dieted down to get the definition, they haven't "toned" the muscle up to look like that

It sounds like you want to build muscle to get bigger then diet down. Not wanting to offend but you're in for some hard work. Most Trainers will probably recommend a routine based around compound exercises like:
squats & leg press, (legs)
barbell rowing & Chinups (back)
bench & incline bench pressing, (chest)
Shoulder pressing, (shoulders)
Close grip bench press & Lying Tricep Exetenions (triceps)
Barbell & Dumbell curls (biceps)
You'll flesh out your routine with isolation exercises depending on the equipment in your gym.

at the moment there's no point going crazy with the cardio until you've built the muscle then want to diet down, but at the same time still do a bit just to keep your aerobic fitness at an acceptable level.

Diet:
When wanting to build muscle you will need to take onboard more calories than your body would normally need Try and keep a balanced diet which is something around:
Carbs 50%
Protien 30%-35%
Fat 20%-15% Good fats (like Omega 3) that can be obtained from oily fish.

By the time you've built the muscle and want to diet down you will have worked out your diet and will know what to eat without me having to post it here

Goodluck m8

seconded.

Also don't forget, once you get there, you have to keep it up. You can't just stop working out otherwise it will all disappear again, or worse turn to fat.

Everyones slightly different. I find the biggest thing for me is the harder I push myself the more I'll gain. If I don't feel like my arms / legs etc are about to fall off, I know I haven't done enough. For me it's also about low reps high weight for strength increase, however high reps for stamina. Bag work is also good, if you hit full strength, often I can't even curl 10kg after doing 5 x 3mins sets on the bag! lol

Cheers

M0KUJ1N · 11 Jan 2007 at 12:47

Hi, just thought I'd make a minor point. What the OP seems to be describing when he says "slack muscle" sounds like a combination of subcutaneous fat (which may only be a thin layer of course) and bad posture.

Like it's been said earlier, you will need to do a combination of weight training and cardio to achieve your goal. There have been quite a few threads on here with people asking for advice on weight routines so it may be worth having a read through those. If there are exercises you are unfamiliar with, there are various websites which will demonstrate correct form and I would also advise seeing an instructor and having them comment on your form first, as doing any free weights with poor form can be counterproductive and makes injuries more likely.

It's also important to target all the major muscle groups. To begin with you will probably be able to do them all in one session but as you progress to higher weights/ more sets then you'll probably find you'll need to do some sort of split e.g. upper body one session, lower body the next session.

Hopefully this is good general advice, as someone who does weight sessions but not being a "weightlifter". There are other people who have more experience than I do in this field

Macabre · 11 Jan 2007 at 14:30

^Uh I guess, but like I said there is def slack or sub.... muscles as you said. I hardly eat fast food as I said and im not that big an eater, usually just 2 meals a day, usually breakfast of just cereal sometimes I don't eve bother with breakfast, lunch I usually skip or just grab a roll or sanwich or something. Dinner always have, then thats it tbh.

Only thing that could cause a layer of fat I guess is I like a few pints

. And I do drink to excess. Sensible most of the time on alcohol, but I drink a lot of Irn bru, coke, red bull and other energy drinks. Alchohol just 1 or 2 pints now and then or more depending on the circumstances. But like I said I have the drink capacity of an elephant lol. But no I don't actually overeat, I drink A LOT more than I eat, seriously.

Styles · 11 Jan 2007 at 14:32

Macabre said:
Only thing that could cause a layer of fat I guess is I like a few pints . And I do drink to excess. Sensible most of the time on alcohol, but I drink a lot of Irn bru, coke, red bull and other energy drinks. Alchohol just 1 or 2 pints now and then or more depending on the circumstances. But like I said I have the drink capacity of an elephant lol. But no I don't actually overeat, I drink A LOT more than I eat, seriously.

Your alarm bells should be ringing here. There is NO point in getting yourself back in the gym and following advice here unless you sort out an acceptable diet for yourself first. What you need to remember is diet is 80% of your results.

Post a day in the life of Macabre's stomach and let's see what you're consuming.