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Well that's it decided then. HD-DVD is the winner
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When was the last time you rented porn out on DVD? Do you think you would if they provided HD-DVD? I didn't think so, back when VHS won over beta-max because of the porn industry it was one of the few ways to get video. The internet is a much bigger player now, so choosing HD-DVD will probably change nothing.
This comparison of VHS vs Betamax just isn't valid these days.
Porn was important in those days because the internet didn't exist. Now most people get their porn online, so although the market for HD-DVD / BR porn will no doubt grow, it'll be a small fraction of the mainstream market.
I think the reason Porn chooses HD-DVD is because of the lower cost involved in producing each disc. Simple economics!
Porn was important in those days because the internet didn't exist. Now most people get their porn online, so although the market for HD-DVD / BR porn will no doubt grow, it'll be a small fraction of the mainstream market.
I think the reason Porn chooses HD-DVD is because of the lower cost involved in producing each disc. Simple economics!
Sony said that they wouldn't allow porn on blu-ray so it's hardly a suprise that they are using hd-dvd is it?
Somehow I think the sucsess of a format in the 21st century is the millions of copies of films and games that will be sold through it.
Somehow I think the sucsess of a format in the 21st century is the millions of copies of films and games that will be sold through it.
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Raider said:
Do you know for a fact that sales have slumped as the internet has become more popular?
I was under the impression porn DVD sales were huge. HD-DVD will offer a level of picture quality that internet sites can't match.
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Goatboy said:
Yeah although i'm sure availability of porn has increased massively due to the internet I doubt sales of DVD have been effected. In fact the Porn film market in many ways now outstrips the American movie industry for revenue and porn is certainly the biggest revenue stream on the internet.
So if the porn industry is going HD-DVD then that's certainly a considerable contribution to the total HD market segment.
(but don't tell my mrs 
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they are huge
in america where its completely legal and out in the open. The british being who they are, only officially legalised hard core porn in the past couple of years, prior to that they were all "personal imports" from europe that were shipped directly from holland etc.. so didnt requrie BBFC certification
even now, the license required to sell R18 videos isnt the sort of thing most people get. In this country they wont grant you a license to sell R18 videos if they think it will be on the walk for school children for example. Its all cloak and dagger in seedy dodgy porn shops.
heck, look at the stats above. There was 1 billion DVDs rented out in 2005. None of which will have been rented in britain. as none of the major DVD rental places rent R18 stuff, only the 18 certificate stuff which is all cut to hell and softcore. And even then, not all of the english big DVD rental places rent out porn. When was the last time you saw a genuine hardcore R18 film at blockbusters ?
in the US, the market is huge and you'll find legal hardcore porn in most video rental shops.
this is where the money is made. The format war wont be decided by a viewing public as small as the british.
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Very, very few people know about usenet, even people on tech sites like this and avforums and stunned to learn you can download proper HD films/TV shows and have been able to for years. Everyone uses torrents and stuff like limewire, whenever I mention newsgroups they don't have a clue.
Also bear in mind many people have download caps of numbers like 30GB per month.
Also bear in mind many people have download caps of numbers like 30GB per month.
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Come on, the vast majority of the AE viewers aren't downloading from Usenet. Most of them have a collection in a wardrobe somewhere, along with the Kleenex.
FrankJH said:
in america they dont have softcore
its only us prudes in britain that have a separate certification for porn. When the american's talk about Porn DVD sales, they are referring to one category. In the US, anything thats hardcore porn gets certified NC17 which is for persons aged 17 and over, so more or less our equivalent of 18. Remember showgirls with Elizabeth berkley ? that got an Nc17 certificate. Along with all the other millions of hardcore porn released that get released every year in the US
NC17 still isnt as widespread as our 18 though. Most films in america get certified R which is no child under 17 admitted without a parent. NC17 is regarded very much as the porn certificate, but its a normal film classification that can be sold from blockbuster or shown in any cinema like Showgirls did. Most of these places dont usually show NC17 rated porn, but there is no special requirement to get a license to sell these films like there is with the UK R18. So everywhere sells them
people under estimate just how big the porn industry is, because of how prudish we are over here. In america its huge, and the whole porn industry getting behind HD-DVD will undoubtably prevent it from dieing. The only question now, is does Blu Ray die or do sony agree to allow Dual Format players to prevent it from dieing ?
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MrLOL, while you are mostly correct in your statement you should be aware that the overwhelmingly vast majority of pornographic movies available in the US are not rated NC-17. In fact they are not rated at all as they've never been submitted to the MPAA ratings board for review.
On a wider note I see a little bit of symmetry here when viewed under the light of VHS vs. Betamax. VHS won for a variety of reasons and one of them was that the porn industry chose that as the dominant format. A main reason why they did that was that it was cheaper to use VHS tapes and VHS authoring equipment.
On a wider note I see a little bit of symmetry here when viewed under the light of VHS vs. Betamax. VHS won for a variety of reasons and one of them was that the porn industry chose that as the dominant format. A main reason why they did that was that it was cheaper to use VHS tapes and VHS authoring equipment.
BillytheImpaler said:
just done a bit of googling
id seen some films as "un rated". Id assumed that was because i was using less than legitimate versions of the DVD *ahem*
but upon googling, it appears you can indeed release a movie direct to DVD without it ever going near the MPAA. unlike in the UK where any video/DVD released in the UK must be passed by the BBFC under the Video Recordings act 1984.
further proof, if ever it were needed, just how backwards the UK is, when it comes to film classification.