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Hopefully not found guilty of murder and not targeted by the family and friends of the low lives in the future.
Whaley Bridge (UK) - attempted burglary / shooting
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I wouldn't wish harm/death on anyone, but after being burgled and having the house ransacked in the past - then I would happily side with someone defending their family/property. If I was woken at 1am with my house/property being broken into, then I could well understand someone reaching for anything they can lay their hands on, and the more range the better. With panic and adrenaline, and fear for the safety of family and livelihood, then it's not a surprise that a farmer reaches for a gun.
Sure, he could be a good lad that was caught up with the wrong people - but if this burglary had gone as planned by them then surely he would have benefitted, and I'm sure wouldn't have turned down the winnings. If he's willing to play the game then he (and his family) should be willing to accept the price.
I've just spotted that the lad that died has a gofundme up and it's now about 13k. Is it just me, but wtf?!? If I had a family member (or friend) that was involved in aggravated burglary then I think I'd want to hide under a rock and mourn the loss in private - I certainly wouldn't be setting up a gofundme and effectively exploiting/profiteering from the situation. Casting gross dispersions - I guess the gofundme inception could indicate a mindset to take advantage of people's generosity and ignore the lad's involvement in aggravated burglary (and the harm it does to its victims). If this was the culture at home (and/or peers) then it could possibly suggest that he wasn't such an angel in the 1st place.
Sure, he could be a good lad that was caught up with the wrong people - but if this burglary had gone as planned by them then surely he would have benefitted, and I'm sure wouldn't have turned down the winnings. If he's willing to play the game then he (and his family) should be willing to accept the price.
I've just spotted that the lad that died has a gofundme up and it's now about 13k. Is it just me, but wtf?!? If I had a family member (or friend) that was involved in aggravated burglary then I think I'd want to hide under a rock and mourn the loss in private - I certainly wouldn't be setting up a gofundme and effectively exploiting/profiteering from the situation. Casting gross dispersions - I guess the gofundme inception could indicate a mindset to take advantage of people's generosity and ignore the lad's involvement in aggravated burglary (and the harm it does to its victims). If this was the culture at home (and/or peers) then it could possibly suggest that he wasn't such an angel in the 1st place.
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Of course none of them were angels. Society needs to stop painting criminals as the victims. At least no-one is pulling the "he was a good boy, he dindunuffin" for this one. To have a GoFundMe with a reasonable whack of money in it... What a joke.
How is it that we've gone so soft on crime?
A friend of mine's partner was killed in a car crash and a 3rd party setup a gofundme supposedly for the family and tried to keep most of the money*... and the partner of the driver who killed her (supposedly DUI, etc. though it has turned into a right mess in court) started a gofundme claiming he was injured, etc. and making out he was the victim of an incident despite his Facebook page showing him doing all kinds of activities the godfundme claimed he was too badly hurt to do.
* Actually two different 3rd parties did fund raising for her family and I'm not sure which one was trying to keep the funds in case anyone is aware of the incident - I don't want to accidentally smear an innocent person.
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sadly, I don't know.
Manchester Evening News has a story with quotes from people saying:
"He was a kind, loving and warm hearted lad, who was special to so many people. He will forever be missed but kept in so many people’s hearts."
"You had a heart of gold and were fiercely loyal to those you loved. Loved by so many we will never forget you"
Overlook the part of a gang breaking into someone's property in the middle of the night, armed with weapons, with the intent to steal... (after the same property was broken into & burgled the afternoon the previous day. Had they just seen something worth coming back for and assumed it vacant...)
He was obviously on the site in the middle of the night, there's no way to overlook that. So either he was a mate of the farmer and it's a massive accident, or he was breaking in with intent... Given there's a wealth of arrests, reports of multiple burglaries and the farmer hasn't suggested this lad was helping him watch the property - the former seems unlikely.
Sadly, either the farmer will be another Tony Martin and locked away after defending his property (and the local scrotes will likely pillage the farmer's estate while he's not about), or he will be acquitted and the scrotes will target the guy and make his life/farm a living misery.
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Made the mistake of phoning the police. Should have finished the job and just buried them in a field using a JCB. Who is going to know they were ever there
I agree with the sentiment. Hopefully there's lots of disappeared "good lads" buried in the sticks
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GD summary for those just tuning in:
theft = BAD!
murder = GOOD!
theft = BAD!
murder = GOOD!
Theft = BAD!
Murder = BAD!
Defense of self, family and property = GOOD!
Bring weapons to a burglary, all bets are off.
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He's already been found guilty or murder? You'd be terrible on a jury.
Murder requires premeditation, very likely the thing missing here. It also requires the killing to be unlawful. The law allows for self defence, up to and including lethal force if appropriate.
Soldato
I must have missed the part where GD claimed murder is good. Perhaps it doesn't exist, and you're just missing the point?
Soldato
I must have missed the part where GD claimed murder is good. Perhaps it doesn't exist, and you're just missing the point?
It wouldn't be the first time
Yea appropriate force includes lethal force if you bring weapons.
There have been a few cases now where home owners have killed armed intruders and then released without charge.
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What? Guilty or murder? Hmm?
I must have missed the part where GD claimed murder is good. Perhaps it doesn't exist, and you're just missing the point?
Perhaps these same points come up in the same threads by the same posters all the time. Corporal punishment would be an obvious one. I'm sure most seasoned GD observers could have predicted which posters would go which way.
It wouldn't be the first time
Just LOL if you're not self aware enough to admit that yes that is fair and I'll give you that.
No it doesnt. Murder requires the intention to kill or cause serious harm. Mitigating factors could be taken into account but generally shooting people in the back if they are running away shows intent and then you are relying on other defences e.g diminished responsibility which is how Tony Martin got is murder conviction downrated to manslaughter.
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Murder is often hard to prove which is why a lot of "murderers" get manslaughter. Which is basically you intended to do harm but killed them by accident.
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