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Completely out of no where this news story has come back from 7 years ago and pretty much destroyed the life of an ex NRL footballer. Killed his TV Career, Killed his coaching Career.

Heres her interview. (48minutes long)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iI4IN0WsJHo


Heres a news article and an interview of Matthew Johns after the Four Corners Report.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25476814-7582,00.html

Last night he told Tracy Grimshaw in an agonising 22-minute interview on A Current Affair that he had been waiting seven years for that call - and when it came it was kind of a relief. Johns sat beside his wife Trish in the studio. Her eyes were full of hurt and tears but she said she fully supported him and he had confessed his sins seven years ago.

But Johns didn't give much away, focusing instead on the hurt his exploits had caused his wife and young family rather than the hurt he had caused the then 19-year-old woman he and his mates had sex with.

"I would say that on the night when she came back to the room, she was a willing participant in what occurred," Johns said. Grimshaw disagrees. She had said so on the program the night before when she invited Johns on. She said the incident "redefined the notion of consent". If the interview was a contest between Grimshaw and Johns, Grimshaw won.

Nine took Johns off air indefinitely yesterday but not before the story led the 6pm news bulletin and dominated the 6.30pm current affairs slot. Expect a lengthier version on The Footy Show tonight. Ratings have to be gathered at every opportunity, even if it is from the network's misfortune. Your career is all but over, Grimshaw told Johns, in an interview that will certainly boost hers.

Before recording the interview yesterday, Johns sat down at Nine's studios and watched the Four Corners report for the first time. Early last week he had warned Gyngell the ABC was going to bring up an incident in which he was involved years ago. But Johns didn't go into much detail and Gyngell was unaware of how sordid the incident was.

By Thursday, Nine News sports reporter Danny Weidler had independently obtained the Johns story and got a brief statement from Johns for the 6pm news. Weidler has admitted he has known about the story for years but didn't consider reporting it.

But Weidler didn't have an exclusive. Seven News had the story for its 6pm bulletin too. Someone interviewed by the ABC must have been talking.

As the story was breaking in the wider media, The Footy Show decided to air its own segment on the scandal that night. Co-host Paul "Fatty" Vautin recorded a taped piece with Johns in which he said the incident happened seven years ago when he was still playing football. "It was an incident that was investigated by police - it caused all parties enormous pain and embarrassment," Johns said.

"It's put my family through enormous anguish and embarrassment, and has once again. And for that I'm just ... well, you can't say sorry enough."

Vautin reached over and patted him on the back, which some read as akin to giving him a high-five.

The apology was to be regarded by Gyngell, and everyone else, as manifestly inadequate. It failed to mention the woman's suffering or acknowledge any wrongdoing. Johns continued this line last night, admitting she was hurt but not that he abused her in any way. He didn't acknowledge the power imbalance in the room that night, despite Grimshaw's prompting.

Last Thursday Gyngell's official response was that he was aware of the allegations and was "monitoring" the situation. He, and everyone else at Nine, didn't know what was in the Ferguson story and wanted to wait and see.

What everyone underestimated was the power of the young woman's testimony on Four Corners. Her face and voice disguised, she still conveyed the agony she was feeling. Until she spoke - within the context of the NRL's sorry culture of disrespecting women - Nine didn't realise how bad Johns had made them look.

Johns is the funny guy, the clown, of the NRL Sydney-based Footy Show and is highly regarded at Nine. His alter ego Reg Reagan is a popular personality that has spawned books, recordings and an even an **** nomination. He had a lucrative career on the corporate speaking circuit. But Johns is nothing like his Melbourne counterpart Sam Newman, who has always courted controversy. As one producer said yesterday "Matty is the last person I would expect to be caught up in this". They are both big stars, but while Newman's contract is worth about $750,000; Johns is on only half that.

Everything changed for Matthew Johns and Nine on Monday night. Although Johns was not charged, the group sex incident was presented on the ABC within a context of footballers who degrade women. It was totally unacceptable to the general public, and women in particular.

The Australian understands Gyngell believed he had to take action, but the details had yet to be worked out. If left alone on the grounds Johns had not done anything illegal, sponsors and viewers may have started to turn off. Johns meanwhile had been sent to Broome for a break with his wife and children, by his powerful celebrity manager John Fordham. He did not watch Four Corners on Monday night because he was with his family. He told Grimshaw he was fresh from watching it and still affected by the woman's words.

On Tuesday Grimshaw became agitated when she got wind of plans by The Footy Show to record a long interview with Johns on his return from Broome. (They had done a similar thing when his brother Andrew Johns admitted he had a drug problem.) Grimshaw went to air with an appeal to Johns to come on and let her ask the tough questions instead. ACA sources insist Gyngell was not asked for his approval.

Grimshaw: "Even though no charges were ever laid, (the woman's) experience should rightly redefine the notion of consent and whether a star-struck 19-year-old could even be deemed capable of consenting to the scenario she ultimately endured," she said.

"Unfortunately a man we all know, and I personally like, Matthew Johns, has been heavily implicated in this event, and I believe he needs to step up, face some hard questions and talk properly about it, rather than just a few uncomfortable lines delivered on The Footy Show."

Gyngell told colleagues on Tuesday he agreed wholeheartedly with NRL boss David Gallop's strong words about the issues the Four Corners report raised and Johns was asked to come into Nine, with Fordham, for a meeting abut his future.

Nine wanted him to apologise to the woman personally, and make a public, specific apology as well. It was agreed he would appear on A Current Affair.

When sponsors began to pull out of The Footy Show in Melbourne last year after Sam Newman offensively manhandled a mannequin, Newman was also suspended. But he was back within three weeks.

But sources say Johns will not be back on air this year, and indeed he will never be back on The Footy Show.

His humour is absolutely incongruous with the revelations in the Four Corners report. At best he may be acceptable as a rugby league commentator - but even that depends on his being rehabilitated in the audience's eyes. His contract is up in October. Matty Johns has been the biggest drawcard of The Footy Show, and insiders agree the future of the show is now under review


IMO If it is all consensual then i see no problem.
Also being young and leaving the pub with Testostorone filled rugby players you would more then likely know what you are getting into.

IMO i recken shes been handed a big wod of cash and now the media is on a roll with this and all the Rugby and network commitiys are just bending over and doing as there told.

Also this has just come up from over in New Zealand.

The woman was hysterical as she spoke of her trauma on national television.

She insisted the group sex with the league players was not consensual. That night seven years ago, she said, had all but destroyed her - she'd even contemplated suicide.

But not so according to her workmate at the time. Tania Boyd says the woman bragged about having sex with all the boys.

“She was absolutely excited about the fact. She was bragging about it to the staff and quite willing openly that she had sex with several players, wasn't sure how many, didn't even know names, there was no trauma whatsoever,” said Boyd.

Boyd claims herself and her work mates were disgusted by her behaviour.

“We all thought it was hilarious until five days later the police etc came to work and we were horrified that she had now changed her story to say she was now a victim of crime. It was definitely consensual,” Boyd said.

But Rape Crisis says this situation is not uncommon.

A broken Matty Johns maintains the sex was consensual. There are now serious fears for his mental state.
http://www.3news.co.nz/News/Interna...abid/417/articleID/104363/cat/61/Default.aspx

Lets see how well the media take that and run with it, I for one they hope they do and things get cleared up and all this one sided bias **** goes away.


Thats my opinion anyway. Yours might be different but i just see this as a woman putting on the "The big strong men traumistised me" Act
 
Johns is an idiot who got what he deserved for cheating on his wife with some random chick and a bunch of his mates.
 
Johns is an idiot who got what he deserved for cheating on his wife with some random chick and a bunch of his mates.

Cheating on his wife is a personal thing.

It shouldnt have cost him his Career because of it.
 
Without getting both sides stories no one can tell, and the stories told on TV are probably a million miles away from the truth - since when does truth and media go together?

I am not siding with either side, but its been known for woman to get all steamy and then get a 'OMG what am i doing moment' then run. To save face they have said it was rape / not consensual etc. (Look at what the Boyd woman said)

On the other hand, 'consensual' means completely different things when its one guy with a woman compared to a few. Being famous sort of clouds the consensual issue, why wouldn't a woman want sex with a famous sports star....thats what they may think.

Six of one and half dozen of the other - the guy was a bit of a clown for having a bit of hows your father outside of marriage, let alone a gang evening of fun.

The woman thought she was the dogs hairy bits for having it away with a group of sports stars and then though 'oh dear, people will think of me as a bit loose' and changed the story.

Its not newsworthy so I put it down to a slow news day - sex attacks happen every day unfortunately, why should one such story feature so much just because one party is 'famous'.
 
Cheating on his wife is a personal thing.

It shouldnt have cost him his Career because of it.

Yes it should. The sport has a culture of denigrating women, and the only way to change this is to impose harsh penalties for it. If footballers and rugby players want to be seen as anything less than a bunch of muscle-bound thugs led by their *****, they'll have to clean up their game.

By the same token, young women must take responsibility for their own actions. Sleeping with another bloke's wife is stupid and immoral, but walking into a footy player's room at night is just plain stupid because you can be sure he'll have a bunch of mates waiting for you. Everyone knows that these guys see women as little more than sex toys, and any woman who claims otherwise is deluding herself.

I don't know if this woman was genuinely traumatised or not. Chances are that she was. But she has to accept that she got herself into it; nobody forced her into that bedroom.
 
These things always come back to haunt you. After all this was an act of total debauchery.

I'm disgusted not because was it consensual or not, but because I don't want to see people in any kind of public spotlight involved in this kind of filth.
 
Evangelion, why should they be seen as anything more than a bunch of muscle-bound thugs, and while theres no laws against cheating on your partner losing a career over it is beyond ridiculous.

In our day and age its all to easy to cry rape and destroy the other person, infact in our day and age any public figure story leads to money being available for tell all stories, real or not.

But there seems to be some simple facts, saying she was a 19yr old girl star struck and coming up with the notion she might not have been capable of saying no just shows you how much they are stretching the story to imply it was rape without any evidence.

But you also have to take into account that her "workmate" could easily have been paid since the storys came out by the other side to cast a shadow over the womans testimony. In reality you can never know what happened for sure, but what seems to be the fact that she went with them of her own accord and well, never said no, she's simply trying to make money, be it asking for a payoff to shutup or recant, or getting money for the interviews and the book she'll soon release or the rights to the tv movie.


Theres stories are just trash, yes, sports type people somewhat bring it on themselves by doing these things in the first place, you gangbang a woman, you're famous theres ALWAYS the chance she'll try to cash in so you could simply not do it. But then again, if you're not famous and you're into gangbangs theres nothing stopping you and if this girl wanted to sleep with these guys theres nothing wrong with it.
 
Unless you were in that room all those years ago then you have no idea what went on, best to let things take there natural course and keep you nose out of things you know nothing about.
 
Evangelion, why should they be seen as anything more than a bunch of muscle-bound thugs

Well, I don't mind if they're not. But they do, and I was simply pointing out how they can remake their image.

and while theres no laws against cheating on your partner losing a career over it is beyond ridiculous.

Why?

In our day and age its all to easy to cry rape and destroy the other person, infact in our day and age any public figure story leads to money being available for tell all stories, real or not.

But there seems to be some simple facts, saying she was a 19yr old girl star struck and coming up with the notion she might not have been capable of saying no just shows you how much they are stretching the story to imply it was rape without any evidence.

But you also have to take into account that her "workmate" could easily have been paid since the storys came out by the other side to cast a shadow over the womans testimony. In reality you can never know what happened for sure, but what seems to be the fact that she went with them of her own accord and well, never said no, she's simply trying to make money, be it asking for a payoff to shutup or recant, or getting money for the interviews and the book she'll soon release or the rights to the tv movie.

Theres stories are just trash, yes, sports type people somewhat bring it on themselves by doing these things in the first place, you gangbang a woman, you're famous theres ALWAYS the chance she'll try to cash in so you could simply not do it. But then again, if you're not famous and you're into gangbangs theres nothing stopping you and if this girl wanted to sleep with these guys theres nothing wrong with it.

Yes, I agree.
 
Did i read this story right....the matter was investigated ta the time, now seven years later the "victim" has resurfaced and this whole ugly episode with her?

Gotta feel sorry for Johns' family to be honest.
 
7 years ago?

Irrelevant. This was not public knowledge 7 years ago. It did not bring the sport into disrepute 7 years ago. His employer did not know about it 7 years ago. They are perfectly entitled to sack him.

Celebrities live or die by public opinion. That's the gamble they take. He gambled and lost. Tough.
 
another example of why there should be anonymity for both accusers and the accused where claims of sexual assault are involved, especially when the media, rather than the courts, are used for the trial.
 
But that's not what's happened. His employer has responded directly to information provided to them by Johns, not by the media.
 
Irrelevant. This was not public knowledge 7 years ago. It did not bring the sport into disrepute 7 years ago. His employer did not know about it 7 years ago. They are perfectly entitled to sack him.

Celebrities live or die by public opinion. That's the gamble they take. He gambled and lost. Tough.

Actually there was something about it in the news back 7 years ago. Just no names were released and when no charges were laid there was no real problem anymore
 
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