What are my AIO choices?

orbitalwalsh said:
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thats the aquacomputer stuff with D5 pump

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DDC version

might of seen on the forum about aquacomputer gear being able to be monitored left right and center . believe these units can have flow and temps monitored

again not sure if it'll work with your case. Why i mentioned Eisbaer AIO
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Interesting. I'm actually getting a refund and they say they are likely getting the Pred gen2 in. So, I'll just get something cheapish air but decent in the meantime and see how these are looking after they have been about for a bit so I can ask support about RMA rates or have a scout around or something.
 
TheMorningStar said:
Interesting. I'm actually getting a refund and they say they are likely getting the Pred gen2 in. So, I'll just get something cheapish air but decent in the meantime and see how these are looking after they have been about for a bit so I can ask support about RMA rates or have a scout around or something.
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again recommend the Eisbaer or Silent Wing if you want the Quietest pump on the market


My basket at Overclockers UK:

Total: £147.87
(includes shipping: £9.90)



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Dont use the stock fans or buy B grade one. if you can push for the Silent Wing 3 fans go for it, should have come as default or modded Pure Wings
 
orbitalwalsh said:
again recommend the Eisbaer or Silent Wing if you want the Quietest pump on the market


My basket at Overclockers UK:

Total: £147.87
(includes shipping: £9.90)



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Dont use the stock fans or buy B grade one. if you can push for the Silent Wing 3 fans go for it, should have come as default or modded Pure Wings
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I just got a Hyper 212 evo to tide me over, will evaluate the Pred gen2 once they have been out a while. I'm running corsair MLs in the rest of the case, pretty impressed with them, to be honest, pricey though. Was thinking of swapping out the fans on the Pred as I could hear a low wispy sound out of the second unit I got, at idle. Going to see if I can find some tiny washers in town in a moment, try to tighten the fans on these graphics cards while I'm at it, and I may end up with a quieter case. The 212 is supposed to be quiet but we will see.
 
I've just replaced a leaking Predator 240 with an H115i and it seems pretty decent using the out of the box settings. I did try Corsair link as well but it just seemed to make it ridiculously loud so I uninstalled it again .. Tempted to put in some Noctua NF-A14 fans and give them a go but it seems ok as-is at the moment.
 
gbgt2 said:
I've just replaced a leaking Predator 240 with an H115i and it seems pretty decent using the out of the box settings. I did try Corsair link as well but it just seemed to make it ridiculously loud so I uninstalled it again .. Tempted to put in some Noctua NF-A14 fans and give them a go but it seems ok as-is at the moment.
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How's the pump noise? Is my only concern with cheaper AIOs. I'm going to wait until summer, anyway, check out the new Preds.
 
TheMorningStar said:
£4k build with all the extras, and half of the premium stuff I have is ****, quite frankly. Looks like I'm stuck with it all, though. Wouldn't risk a full loop at this point, it's just an extra potential layer of problems on top of all the other crap. Must say I have never noticed the pump noise on the Predators but the gfx cards sound like jet engines at load because the ******* heatsinks are that loose, haha! God, I hate this build.

I just hope I get a whole new unit without the ****** plastics around the pump/res, if I have to do this again, I'll be spitting poison.
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I think you should have asked for help speccing a 4k system, as the components you choose are IMO very flawed considering the budget you had. The most important part of a gaming PC are the GPU's, and you choose mid range cards for a 4K build....

For Skylake, a simple Noctua U12S can get a very decent overclock out of them. I've got one cooling my 6700k since August 2015, running it at 4.7Ghz 1.34V. Temps get to 82-83C at absolute full load. AIO's are not required to get decent overclocks. Air coolers are far quieter also.

Your GPU's are also a silly choice. While the RX480 is a solid mid/mid-low range card (compared to the competition), Crossfire/SLI are flawed technologies, a single 1070 or 1080 would have been a much better buy for your build, considering it's 4k budget.

As for the MSI Gaming X RX480 having 'loose parts' - I'm not quite sure what you mean. I have a MSI Gaming X RX480 in one of my systems, I've also built several systems with this card for clients and friends. All of which have been physically solid cards, great build quality and very quiet at full load. Some of these cards have had coil whine, though that's the same with every GPU these days. I'd suggest doing an RMA if your card is faulty.
 
My EK predator has started leaking too. Sending it back and going down the Noctua D15S route.

Water is fun and games but maybe i'm getting old, can't be doing with the hassle now.
 
JamesM said:
My EK predator has started leaking too. Sending it back and going down the Noctua D15S route.

Water is fun and games but maybe i'm getting old, can't be doing with the hassle now.
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Around the pump by any chance? Most seem to leak from there. I'll give AIOs one more try if the gen2 Preds have a good reception. My case doesn't look as nice with an air cooler in it. I considered the d15s when looking for a replacement but I just went with a hyper 212evo (I think it was) for now, may get something bigger if the predators are still iffy. I was thinking about getting an anodizing kit and blacking out the heatsink :D
 
Dave2150 said:
I think you should have asked for help speccing a 4k system, as the components you choose are IMO very flawed considering the budget you had. The most important part of a gaming PC are the GPU's, and you choose mid range cards for a 4K build....

For Skylake, a simple Noctua U12S can get a very decent overclock out of them. I've got one cooling my 6700k since August 2015, running it at 4.7Ghz 1.34V. Temps get to 82-83C at absolute full load. AIO's are not required to get decent overclocks. Air coolers are far quieter also.

Your GPU's are also a silly choice. While the RX480 is a solid mid/mid-low range card (compared to the competition), Crossfire/SLI are flawed technologies, a single 1070 or 1080 would have been a much better buy for your build, considering it's 4k budget.

As for the MSI Gaming X RX480 having 'loose parts' - I'm not quite sure what you mean. I have a MSI Gaming X RX480 in one of my systems, I've also built several systems with this card for clients and friends. All of which have been physically solid cards, great build quality and very quiet at full load. Some of these cards have had coil whine, though that's the same with every GPU these days. I'd suggest doing an RMA if your card is faulty.
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£4k was the budget, not the specification. Until 4k displays can manage 120+ fps I have no interest in them. I'm actually running what can be 1440p eyefinity but mostly it's for the workspace.

I got the GPUs as I always wanted to try crossfire, I like to play when I have free time. The heatsinks on the graphics cards are loose, this could be for a number of reasons; perhaps they forgot to add a few washers; perhaps they didn't mill out the thread for the screws deep enough. Regardless, the heatsinks on both cards, purchased at the same time, can be moved around with little pressure, something that would not be noticeable if the holes through the PCB for the heatsink mounting were not as wide as they are. I suspect a bad batch but it took me so long to figure out what the hell was going on with them, my opportunity to return them easily was missed. Currently, the bottom GPU is so bad that it cannot maintain stable clockspeeds and dips well below 1200mhz. Because of the poor heatsink mounting thermals have always been high, when the fans spin at around 80% the entire case vibrates, the noise is insane, these vibrations loosen the screws for the heatsinks and thermals become even worse. I have posted on MSIs forums about this but my posts have been ignored. It took me quite some time to figure out exactly what was going on with these cards and I deeply regret not DSLing them on day one.

To make me hate MSI even more, the motherboard is also faulty. Basically, it has LEDs, when the LEDs are set to a transition lighting effect, using MSIs software, massive system instability is encountered. Again, this took me quite some time to figure out what was going on and I had to deal with random crashes and unrepairable windows installs in this time. Posts about this on MSIs forums, also ignored.

So that's over £750 in high-quality MSI components that are essentially ****. They have poor quality control and even worse support. I suspect they don't want to address the problems publicly as that would mean rather expensive product recalls.

As for the AIO, I wanted an uncluttered case. It's less than a meter from my head so I focussed on looks and silence. I also like to play around with tec I haven't used before, some playtime for me.

So many things about this build are a disappointment and these disappointments all come down to quality issues or things beyond my control, exclude these things and the system does exactly what I want it to do.

I'll get you an afterburner screenshot of my MSI cards in action and you can see what I'm dealing with.
 
This is a 3Dmark Time Spy stability test run. Primary cards are red, secondary are orange. I'm not sure why the second card is throttling and yet also not using its fan correctly. I suspect the heatsink has again worked itself loose (looser). Weird things are happening with clock frequencies, temperatures, and fan speed. Sometimes the second card will throttle, it's fan will be higher than that of the primary card, like, a lot higher but the temperature will be much lower than the primary at all times, it is the better-cooled card due to case layout. I have no idea what this behavior is about. sometimes it's like this, sometimes it isn't. The only constant is insanely loud fan noise unless I limit the fan to 80% in MSI Afterburner. The fans also need to spin in 2D mode, something that they are not supposed to do and the main reason I got these specific cards. Again, loose heatsinks. There are 2 140mm intake fans installed btw, low rpm but well ventilated.

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TheMorningStar said:
£4k was the budget, not the specification. Until 4k displays can manage 120+ fps I have no interest in them. I'm actually running what can be 1440p eyefinity but mostly it's for the workspace.

I got the GPUs as I always wanted to try crossfire, I like to play when I have free time. The heatsinks on the graphics cards are loose, this could be for a number of reasons; perhaps they forgot to add a few washers; perhaps they didn't mill out the thread for the screws deep enough. Regardless, the heatsinks on both cards, purchased at the same time, can be moved around with little pressure, something that would not be noticeable if the holes through the PCB for the heatsink mounting were not as wide as they are. I suspect a bad batch but it took me so long to figure out what the hell was going on with them, my opportunity to return them easily was missed. Currently, the bottom GPU is so bad that it cannot maintain stable clockspeeds and dips well below 1200mhz. Because of the poor heatsink mounting thermals have always been high, when the fans spin at around 80% the entire case vibrates, the noise is insane, these vibrations loosen the screws for the heatsinks and thermals become even worse. I have posted on MSIs forums about this but my posts have been ignored. It took me quite some time to figure out exactly what was going on with these cards and I deeply regret not DSLing them on day one.

To make me hate MSI even more, the motherboard is also faulty. Basically, it has LEDs, when the LEDs are set to a transition lighting effect, using MSIs software, massive system instability is encountered. Again, this took me quite some time to figure out what was going on and I had to deal with random crashes and unrepairable windows installs in this time. Posts about this on MSIs forums, also ignored.

So that's over £750 in high-quality MSI components that are essentially ****. They have poor quality control and even worse support. I suspect they don't want to address the problems publicly as that would mean rather expensive product recalls.

As for the AIO, I wanted an uncluttered case. It's less than a meter from my head so I focussed on looks and silence. I also like to play around with tec I haven't used before, some playtime for me.

So many things about this build are a disappointment and these disappointments all come down to quality issues or things beyond my control, exclude these things and the system does exactly what I want it to do.
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Simply RMA the faulty products, you'll get working ones returned to you. MSI's RMA service is not too bad, took them two weeks to get my 390X replaced. Only had to pay shipping to get it to OCUK, then they took care of the RMA and returned it to me via DPD.

Just remember to not return the items in their original retail boxes, as you will not get these returned to you. The replacements will come in generic MSI boxes.
 
Dave2150 said:
Simply RMA the faulty products, you'll get working ones returned to you. MSI's RMA service is not too bad, took them two weeks to get my 390X replaced. Only had to pay shipping to get it to OCUK, then they took care of the RMA and returned it to me via DPD.

Just remember to not return the items in their original retail boxes, as you will not get these returned to you. The replacements will come in generic MSI boxes.
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I've lost count of how many times I've been in the support section in regard to this upgrade, must be about 5. 2 monitor stands, 2 AIOs, 1 so-called high-speed DVI cable. I'm starting to wonder if they think I'm some kind of ****wit. The cards aren't even the end of it either, my £300 gaming chair looks like the side stitching was done by Michel J Fox and the backrest is tilted an inch to one side. I'm starting to think that I'm too picky. Anyway, with what I have heard about the quality of returns from MSI, scratched up backplates etc, I'd rather not chance them unless I absolutely have to. I'm going to try and fix them myself but I'm having trouble finding washers in the sizes I need, picked up some metal pads that apparently have awesome thermal transfer on graphics cores. I'm just ****** I'm in this situation, haha!
 
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TheMorningStar said:
Around the pump by any chance? Most seem to leak from there. I'll give AIOs one more try if the gen2 Preds have a good reception. My case doesn't look as nice with an air cooler in it. I considered the d15s when looking for a replacement but I just went with a hyper 212evo (I think it was) for now, may get something bigger if the predators are still iffy. I was thinking about getting an anodizing kit and blacking out the heatsink :D
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Yep that's the one. Started leaking from the pump connection to the hose. Removed it and then noticed a small crack forming where the pump meets the res too!
 
Oh Dear EK really do seem to be getting an absolute kicking in the quality control department at the moment, I hope the RMA staff are getting overtime!
 
Mine leaked out of the CPU block. Luckily I spotted it straight away because it was leaking directly on top of my GPU.

On the AIO topic - I did order the Noctua NF-A14 fans in the end (2000RPM PWM) so I'll see how they do with the H115i I have now.
 
I think it's a mixture of overall design and poor quality plastics. hopefully, these will be fixed on the gen2 types. I know they had quality problems with at least one subcontractor and swapped them out but that clearly didn't sort the issues as it seems they just stopped production before the gen2s were even close to ready. CPU block leaks seem to be pretty rare, probably to the extent that you would see on a regular CPU block, as that is all they are. I didn't see anything relating to the hosing, connectors or the QDC fitting, only the pump and some res issues.
 
gbgt2 said:
I did order the Noctua NF-A14 fans in the end (2000RPM PWM) so I'll see how they do with the H115i I have now.
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First impressions are that these are well worth it. Running at constant 55% fan speed (with the stock fans running at this speed it is way too loud for me) they are extremely quiet. [email protected] temps are max 72 degrees on the one core I have that is always hotter than the rest after 30 mins of prime95. The rest of the cores were mid 60's.
 
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