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What are the downsides of going with Z690 as opposed to Z790 motherboard with 13700k.?
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Nothing of note. There really is no compelling reason I can think of to get a Z790 over a Z690.
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It looks like I will as @uscool pointed out to me how well 7800x3d does in emulation. So far Ryzen CPUs were far behind Intel in this regard but 7800x3d with pbo matches overclocked 13900k.
This is the biggest performance jump I’ve seen so far from non 3d chips.
I will finally be able to comfortably play metal gear solid 4.!
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d/16.html
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You're doing the right thing at looking at the details of your particularly usage and seeing which CPU/Platform is the best fit. There is a lot of expected hype around the 7800X3D right now which is normal when something is new and shiny but for many scenarios and folks it is not the best fit. For you it seems it is so enjoy your new and shiny when it eventually arrives.It looks like I will as @uscool pointed out to me how well 7800x3d does in emulation. So far Ryzen CPUs were far behind Intel in this regard but 7800x3d with pbo matches overclocked 13900k.
This is the biggest performance jump I’ve seen so far from non 3d chips.
I will finally be able to comfortably play metal gear solid 4.!
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d/16.html
Yes totally agree with that.
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Actually there are many instances/scenarios when getting a Z690 motherboard is better than getting an AM5 board.
I picked up a brand new MSI Z690-A board for £118 and because the person who it was for can use their old DDR4 memory there is no cost of DDR5 to add on to the truly exorbitant price of mid tier AM5 motherboards. Their main use is a single thread applications/games where the 7800X3D is ~20% behind the 13700K so for them it is a no brainer to go Intel and Z690 over AM5.
The fact that he keeps his system for 5 years+ mean it will long out last AMD's stated shelf life of till 2025 for AM5. Also the fact that AMD originally wanted to go back on their word and withdraw support for X370 and B450 for 5000 series CPU's means I wouldn't put much faith in them going past 2025.
Even taken into consideration the better efficiency of the 7800X3D the difference for him would be ~60W. Which on his current tariff means that for his approx daily 5 hours usage the 7800X3D would save him 6p a day. (Probably slightly less due to the higher idle power usage of the X3D's). So offsetting the power saving against the extra cost of the motherboard and DDR5 it would take him over 13 years to break even.
I have a 5950X sat next to me which I use every day but I'm not such a brand cultist like you and others here that prevents me from being objective, looking at the whole playing field and the details to know there isn't a one size fits all that your inane statement implies.
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I think you misunderstand. Me dragging users over the coals occasionally isn’t about brand cultism. It’s anti mongism.
I wouldn’t take Intel over AMD right now unless I’m not paying, definitely on desktop. One firm is driving forward and the other is stuck rehashing antique designs.
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No I don't misunderstand. I specifically replied to;
Which is the kind of statement I see from people I refer to as "brand cultists", who don't look at the individual usage (as I outlined above) and who often hide their brand cultism behind some ideological notion which you have just done, rather than looking at just the numbers and making a value/performance judgement based on ALL the metrics and their particular usage or depth of pocket.
Anyway, I won't reply to you again, my point has been made and @z10m has made a good choice based on his usage, so I wish him well.
Which is the kind of statement I see from people I refer to as "brand cultists", who don't look at the individual usage (as I outlined above) and who often hide their brand cultism behind some ideological notion which you have just done, rather than looking at just the numbers and making a value/performance judgement based on ALL the metrics and their particular usage or depth of pocket.
Anyway, I won't reply to you again, my point has been made and @z10m has made a good choice based on his usage, so I wish him well.
Yeah if I was going to go with cheap-ish motherboard I would probably go Intel but I do want to get nice motherboard this time around with as many features as I can get without paying completely stupid prices.
I do upgrade a lot and on AM4 went 2700X then 3700X and then 5800X which I’m still using but hopefully not much longer.
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And I think I replied to you as to why I wouldn’t take Intels socket over AMD’s AM5. IMO only a cultist would go Intel right now.
Brand cultist for suggesting to stay with a platform that will enable future CPU upgrades vs your offering which fails in this regard? Quite an obnoxious way to discuss a difference of an opinion.
Z10m has shown and stated he upgrades his CPU often which your suggestion doesn't offer the ability to do so. There was no need to be rude.
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You've made the right choice Z10m, I hope you enjoy your new hardware when you make your decision.
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No, (you should read all my posts again) as you are simply wrong as I never once suggested that z10m should buy a Z690, I answered z10m's direct question and actually said that the 7800X3D is the best choice for his usage.
I called out Jigger simply for what I consider an idiotic post saying that, "The biggest drawback is not being AM5", as if there is no scenario where buying Z690 might conceivably be better than getting an AM5, something I clearly demonstrated was false in my reply only to him.
Typical "brand cultist" speak by saying people should only ever get one brand i.e. AMD (AM5) in every single scenario and that no one should ever buy the other i.e. Intel. Something he has just reiterated saying "...only a cultist would go Intel right now".
An objective, fact based and balanced viewpoint would never be so dogmatic, when clearly it has to be tailored to individual usage/requirements. If you're arguing against that point, which is my only one, then I will leave you and Jigger to it.
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I don't understand why people get emotional when discussing hardware tbh. I don't mind using any CPU & GPU and have done so for more than 20 years. World's gone crazy lol
.Are you just waiting to buy a board and RAM now for the 7800x3D?
Idiotic and cultist is objective and well balanced.
@z10m might be better get that Z690 board. Martin might get offended.
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Ordered RAM and board with it.I don't understand why people get emotional when discussing hardware tbh. I don't mind using any CPU & GPU and have done so for more than 20 years. World's gone crazy lol
Are you just waiting to buy a board and RAM now for the 7800x3D?
The board is the Strix B650E-E and ram is the cheapest 6000mhz on here that also happens to be cl30.
It is XMP so we’ll see how that’s going to work if at all lol.
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Oh, nice! You'll be flying soon and squeezing all the rest from that 4090. I'm sure it will all work fine.
If you had a 4080 or less I'd have probably suggested just getting the 5800x3D as would have saved you a few quid but you want something more powerful to drive a 4090.