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this is what i'm getting on my supposed 10mb connection



my upload is faster than my download and i'm not even going to mention the supposed speed increase to 20mb!!!!!
 
Going by Speedtest alone is not a good indicator of how your DL speed is.... I got a very sim result with speedtest pulling 512k speeds downways, yet I am pulling 10meg of the VM newsgroups and was downloading MS site 10 mins again at full throttle. This time of night these servers are getting horsed with people testing there connections, so bandwith is going to suffer even on a good conn seeing as this site is popular.
 
Yeah, speedtest.net gives me crap results too, yet I can download via HTTP, NNTP or whatever at 1200KB/sec at any time of day. The only reliable speed test is to actually download a normal file from a reliable source - I use Microsoft and I use the XP SP2 network install package to test with as it's a decent size.
 
When using any speed test always run it several times from different servers - preferably over the space of a day.
I've had awful test results from the London Speedtest server, whilst getting great results 30 seconds later with a different server.
 
In each country there are the central nodes which all peoples packets go through before they get out of the country so to speak. At the central nodes, there are underwater, land, sat links to the destination country's central nodes. Now IF the link from UK to France failed, then the routing protocols (algorithms to route packets) take over and determing another route to send your packets. However, since the new route might be through 3 other countries it takes longer. Usually the new route will cause overcrouding on the router (now the router serves its own people and the temprary) and most probably queuing will form (if router reaches 100% capacity). Its very complicated really, but the main point here is due to the compexity of networks nowadays a small failure propagates so fast and causes a lot of problems. The more money the ISP spends on backup solutions the less problems. However, renting twice the capacity on a fast optic fibre link "just in case" is not something any ISP will do for home users at least. Instead for home users, will have an inferior cheap backup link to compensate for the x hours downtime on the main.

ps: This scenario might happen on any side of the connection and have the same side effect. Your ISP, or the server's.
 
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This is better, as stated anything that is based on one test is liable to fluctuate more than a nekkid Jamacan at the north pole. This gives you an overall idea of your connection to several locations.
 
Speedtest is unreliable. Whilst RDP'd onto a server sitting in one of our (the ISP I work for's) suites which has 100Mb of uncontested internet connectivity, and large amounts of unused backbone I've seen figures vary wildly between 60Mbps + and 1Mbps. I just don't trust that site any more.

That said, I'm with Virgin at home and I'm finding the service to be highly changeable. Some evenings we're hitting 400k/sec download speeds, others I'm fluctuating between 2k/sec and 250k/sec even going from Virgin's own mirror server (ubuntu.virginmedia.com) Last night was a good night. Even though Feisty Ferret (7.04 of Ubuntu) was released yesterday and all mirrors were being hammered, I was getting 450k/sec downloads from the virginmedia server.

drak3 said:
In each country there are the central nodes which all peoples packets go through before they get out of the country so to speak. At the central nodes, there are underwater, land, sat links to the destination country's central nodes. Now IF the link from UK to France failed, then the routing protocols (algorithms to route packets) take over and determing another route to send your packets. However, since the new route might be through 3 other countries it takes longer. Usually the new route will cause overcrouding on the router (now the router serves its own people and the temprary) and most probably queuing will form (if router reaches 100% capacity). Its very complicated really, but the main point here is due to the compexity of networks nowadays a small failure propagates so fast and causes a lot of problems. The more money the ISP spends on backup solutions the less problems. However, renting twice the capacity on a fast optic fibre link "just in case" is not something any ISP will do for home users at least. Instead for home users, will have an inferior cheap backup link to compensate for the x hours downtime on the main.

ps: This scenario might happen on any side of the connection and have the same side effect. Your ISP, or the server's.

Interesting view of things, but not entirely accurate.
Most ISPs inside the UK are part of the LINX exchange, including Virgin (NTLI ASN:5089). Accessing pretty much anything inside the UK should go via the LINX exchange, inlcuding SpeedTest's servers, unless they've picked one of the most minor hosting firms they could find. Every ISP will have at least one link to either Sonia, Telia or Abovenet; the three main suppliers of internet backbone. Speaking from experience, losing a link like Telia has resulted in barely even a 10ms increase in lag as the network very, very quickly adapts to the change.

For emphasis: There is no such thing as "the link between UK and France" You're talking about lots (and lots) of redundant links. If the link Sonia provide goes down, you can use one provided by Abovenet. Each of the major backbone providers are part of the LINX consortium too so if your particular link to them died you could go through the LINX.

What is more likely to increase latency is one piece of equipment going very slightly wrong and causing the lag itself. The route is still valid so the routing doesn't get updated at all to avoid it unless the network admin picks up on the issue and forces it themselves. One of Telia's interfaces started doing that to us about 4 months back, just for accessing a specific data centre in Italy. One quick message off to the network admin and all was fixed from our perspective within a couple of hours.

In this particular guys case I'd be more inclined to believe that speedtest's server was being slow or being hammered than it bieng due to any links going down.
 
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That sort of speed is shocking, normally when youve got poor download speeds its after 6pm when the ubr is getting oversubscribed but as your only 5miles from ocuk! like myself you shouldnt have a problem, most ubrs in stoke on trent arent at their limits yet so you should be getting a decent if not max speed on your 10mb connection.
I can max out my 10mb connection (although i dont download much) if needed upto about 6pm at night when the connection slows down slightly to about 5-6mb speeds.
 
I have been getting bad speeds on my 10MB for the first time in a year. 400Kb's off blueyonders own gamefiles server and network. Got a engineer coming, although I was just getting full speed when downloading ubuntu. Even off newshosting download speeds are bad in the evening on and off though.
 
We had Telewest, it was pretty good, nice download speeds 1.2Mb/sec off newsgroups although it did fluctuate a little. Since ther merger/rebranding and Telewest became Virgin our 10Mbit service got slower and slower and we would get less than 100Kb/sec download speeds at peek time.

I've found that the speedtest results were reasonably reliable, this is what we used to get when Telewest was working nicely:

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This is what we would get at peek (along with very slow browsing):

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Finally this is what we get now from BT ADSL (peek time last night):

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We've got BT and VM at the moment, we're keeping the BT - We'd rather have reasonably quick net all the time rather than really fast net ocassionally thats painfully slow at peek time.
 
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Reasonably reliable ? It's moved you 150 miles closer to London on the BT test! I'd honestly be interested to see you run comparative speed tests using the application I linked to across both connections, i'm not saying the results would differ wildly from the above but speedtest.net is not an accurate guage. It used to tell me we had >10 mbit of bandwidth at work and I know for a fact it was a multiple of that based on the real world download speeds I could get from one of the datacentre servers after I finished laughing.
 
Avalon said:
Reasonably reliable ? It's moved you 150 miles closer to London on the BT test! I'd honestly be interested to see you run comparative speed tests using the application I linked to across both connections, i'm not saying the results would differ wildly from the above but speedtest.net is not an accurate guage. It used to tell me we had >10 mbit of bandwidth at work and I know for a fact it was a multiple of that based on the real world download speeds I could get from one of the datacentre servers after I finished laughing.


Agree, although I think ex NTL/TW areas in some regions are being hit by a large demand during evening times, its comming across as that, over the past year. And again I Would say that Speedtest is still not a good comparison for testing your line, again as backed up above
 
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Here's my 10mb virgin connection yipeeeee. Im in the nottingham area.

Normal download speed is about 20k/sec.. god im happy with this connection.
 
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Avalon said:
Reasonably reliable ? It's moved you 150 miles closer to London on the BT test! I'd honestly be interested to see you run comparative speed tests using the application I linked to across both connections, i'm not saying the results would differ wildly from the above but speedtest.net is not an accurate guage. It used to tell me we had >10 mbit of bandwidth at work and I know for a fact it was a multiple of that based on the real world download speeds I could get from one of the datacentre servers after I finished laughing.

I didn't notice the distance thing... Odd!

It's obvious you get an exagerated result from speedtest, but it's good to give you an idea, Telewest wasn't 13Mbit, it was 10 and BT isn't 7Mbit we're actually getting around 5, I've been downloading a lot off newsgroups on the BT connection and I've been getting a steady 600Kb/sec at all times. It's not as quick (max speed) but it's reliable.

I ignore the ping times on speedtest as well they're completely wrong.

If you want to see a really strange result plug in a HSDPA card, it goes off the scale, I guess the network operator caches the download.
 
Avalon said:
This is better, as stated anything that is based on one test is liable to fluctuate more than a nekkid Jamacan at the north pole. This gives you an overall idea of your connection to several locations.

It WAS better however the servers which the test uses are fairly unreliable atm.
 
Just by selecting the Dublin server over London my speed went up by over 2mbit. Just incase this was a one off i've done the same test 3 times on each server on 3 seperate occasions today. Anyone still think speedtest.net is a good indication of speed ?
 
Garp said:
Interesting view of things, but not entirely accurate.
Most ISPs inside the UK are part of the LINX exchange, including Virgin (NTLI ASN:5089). Accessing pretty much anything inside the UK should go via the LINX exchange, inlcuding SpeedTest's servers, unless they've picked one of the most minor hosting firms they could find. Every ISP will have at least one link to either Sonia, Telia or Abovenet; the three main suppliers of internet backbone. Speaking from experience, losing a link like Telia has resulted in barely even a 10ms increase in lag as the network very, very quickly adapts to the change.

For emphasis: There is no such thing as "the link between UK and France" You're talking about lots (and lots) of redundant links. If the link Sonia provide goes down, you can use one provided by Abovenet. Each of the major backbone providers are part of the LINX consortium too so if your particular link to them died you could go through the LINX.

Nice bit of info there. Where would one be able to read up on such matters?
I'm curious about the phsyical network(s) that make up the internet from end to end.
 
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