What can happen when it all goes wrong

The PH thread is amazing, really hits home about how it really could happen to anyone. Top marks for him holding his hands up to it and taking the punishment.

Once again the drving dangerous driving part completly flies over fox's head, how many times does it have to happen before you get what it means - he was driving dangerously no questions if the Police proved it. While many other cases have criminaly short sentances they rarely have proved DD. His sentance was fine for the charge, he took it like a man and lets not forget the sentance the biker got for being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
 
really sobering post.

worst thing i have done was seriously missjudge a gap on the motorway..

was changing lanes from 2 to 3 and booted it to get ahead of the car already in 3 (was in my 3.0L nissan) and the guy in lane 3 must have also put his foot down to close the gap... i made the gap just and it was a bit too close for comfort to the car in lane 2 and the car behinde in lane 3, he flashed his lights and beeped.

later down the road we hit some traffic and was neck to him so i apologised, i always think more when changing lanes now as it could have been a big one.. still makes my heart jump thinking about it.

i think a big factor of that incident was rushing home, listening to fast rock music and not paying enough attention. i now only listen to chilling music and i find my journeys are a lot less stressfull and i drive a lot slower.

i gues close ones happen to all of us, some geniune mistakes, some from driving too fast and dangerously and its just the pick of the draw which depends your fate and the other road users around you.
 
What a sobering Tale indeed

[TW]Fox;10337140 said:
The biker hit his stationary car. The car should not have been straddled across the road but surely the biker should be able to stop in the distance you can see to be clear.
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Said it was on a blind bend, so even if he was doing 50mph theres no way a bike can stop in time, its really dangerous for a bike to brake hard on a corner/bend you will just end up on your ass.
 
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AtreuS said:
My thoughts exactly. Alright he lost control of his car and crashed and it ended up in the middle of the road. Then a bike comes tear arsing round a corner and of course cant stop in time... What if there had been a tractor turning in the road? or some other form of obstruction? How can it be the car drivers fault if someone else cant stop in time?
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Lol are you serious? Although it was an accident his car should not have been on the other side of the road, and because he lost control of his car it was put in a dangerous place which is why the guy pleaded guilty it was his fault, as said above its really hard to stop a bike around a corner, if there was an obstruction in the road that would have ended up in an accident aswell and still the rider would not be at fault, most of the time it takes an accident for councils to sort out problems with roads.
And yea ive had plenty of occasions myself just doing 40-50mph struggling to stop when a tractor is around a bend, even then i would be thinking in my head, how is this my fault this road is 60mph and hes doing 5mph.
 
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BigglesPiP said:
You're absolutely right, I agree completely. But my point is, despite this, we both do accept that fact.
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But I don't accept the fact that they have a right to injure or kill me or my loved ones simply because they drive without due care and attention.

If someone drives like a loon, or is driving a car not fit to be on the road, then they should be locked up.

Sure, I'm aware of the fact that there is a possibility of being in an accident due to someone elses actions, but I don't accept that, just because they wish to drive dangerously that it is somehow OK for them to behave like that.

It's like saying "if you fly you must accept the fact that a terrorist may hijack your plane and crash it into a building, killing you and everyone else aboard". Yes, you know there is a slight risk of that happening, but if it did happen, you wouldn't say "Oh, well, I suppose it has to happen to someone" then put your headphones back on, put your feet up and get back to watching the film.

If I ever hear of anyone driving dangerously, or without the proper certificates (MOT, Insurance, Tax) or whatever then I'll happily report them to the police. I won't say "Oh well, boys will be boys... They just crashed into my wife and killed her? Oh well, stuff happens. It's her fault for driving when there are lunatics on the road, really"
 
Fireskull said:
And yea ive had plenty of occasions myself just doing 40-50mph struggling to stop when a tractor is around a bend, even then i would be thinking in my head, how is this my fault this road is 60mph and hes doing 5mph.
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Erm... because 60 is a limit, not a target. He has every right to be doing 5mph, as does every cyclist, walker or horse rider. If there is a blind bend you MUST be at least mildly prepared to find something blocking the road and, as such, ensure that you are capable of stopping.

In my opinion it is simply not a good enough argument to state "I didn't expect it to be there, so it's their fault"

Going back to the punishment this chap recieved, I think him getting 12 months inside for seriously injuring a biker (in whatever the situation re: speed, carelessness, expectations and whatever) is gossly unfair when compared to the punishment this chap got for driving an unfit car and killing four people, even if he could argue that having three bald tyres was not a contributory factor.

This is an example of where the "speed limit" laws are crap. He wasn't actually breaking the speed limit, so he got fined £45 per life he took, despite the fact that he lost control of his unfit car because he was still driving to fast for the conditions.

But then, I suppose he didn't expect there to be ice on the road, so it was the cyclists fault for being in his way.
 
volospian said:
excellent post
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as volospian has said

this guy was made an example of. Cumbria County Council have obviously had enough of boy racers hooning round there B roads terrorising other motorists

so they made a very bad example of him. 12 months for what he did was grossly unfair considering what others receive. The judge made an example of him no doubt at anothers request, and for this, he should definately feel harshly done by.
 
Sobering story indeed (which reminds me I must go down to the beach bar...):D



[TW]Fox;10337287 said:
Is there anyone on this forum who can honestly put their hand on their heart and say they've never had a single 'oh crap' moment when out driving?
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I've had plenty of moments that make an "Oh Crap" moment seem quite trivial!

I bet plenty will say they hav'nt had such moments, I'd just say liar.
 
I think the point of this was that he admitted to driving like an arse, and if he had not been then the motorcyclist coming the other way would not have been permanently disabled.

You dont know the circumstances, and the motorcyclist might have been speeding also, but ultimately it was his fault.

Any idea how old he was?
 
alexthecheese said:
I think the point of this was that he admitted to driving like an arse, and if he had not been then the motorcyclist coming the other way would not have been permanently disabled.

You dont know the circumstances, and the motorcyclist might have been speeding also, but ultimately it was his fault.

Any idea how old he was?
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Said in the thread that forensics(?) had deduced that motorcyclist had been travelling at between 30-60mph.
 
Jono said:
Said in the thread that forensics(?) had deduced that motorcyclist had been travelling at between 30-60mph.
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Good skills there. Did they then hop along to the next accident with their same amazing skills of prediction and say 'That car was travelling between 10 and 100mph'
 
[TW]Fox;10342068 said:
Good skills there. Did they then hop along to the next accident with their same amazing skills of prediction and say 'That car was travelling between 10 and 100mph'
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Exactly what I thought when I read 10ps post about that. From the impact and injuries sustained you'd think they could have narrowed it down abit. Big difference between 30 and 60 as far as stopping is concerned.

I hit an X-Type Jag at between 70 and 80mph on my 125cc bike. I came off with no major injuries to the emergency services shock and amazement. I was lucky that bike stopped dead through the guys back door and I stayed on the bike. I had no oppertunity to brake, never mind stop due to the Jag pulling out quickly 3/4 meteres in front of me.

The guy owned up it was his fault. He wasn't convited of anything, it wasn't even hinted at. We just had our losses recovered and I bought the old guy a pint as he was in bits over it (was getting on a bit).

You could call his driving dangerous (failing to observe a biker), yet he got nothing. I was over the 60 limit according to my speedo, which was on a 125cc italian bike, so wildly inaccurate, was probably closer to 60, so maybe thats why I was never slapped on the wrist or convicted for that.

Maybe I had to be really hurt to have anything done. Dangerous driving is dangerous driving, no matter the injury. If we had a near miss and a police car was following, would we have been convited then? They more than likely would have taken the oppertunity to pull one of us over.

Double standards it seems are lacking, and that some people are unfortunate to be made an example of.
 
good post, i just read it all, very sobering all to similar to a mate of mine who killed someone in his db9, he got a similar sentance.

Does anger me though that scumbags with no insurance and criminal records as long as my arm can mow people down in stolen cars and get banged up for 2 weeks :mad:
 
I was banned for wreckless driving aged 18 for being a total idiot and injuring someone minding their own business who was crossing the road. On another day, in a car with more power than a Mini 1000 or with 5% less luck, I might have been in prision for causing death by dangerous driving. I still think about my 'incident' some 22 years later, it can go wrong, and if it does it may ruin the rest of your life. Showing off in a car on the road, and even worse in a built up area is utter madness, I learnt my lesson that day, and I was lucky.

There for the grace of god go most of the people who post on this forum I would suggest..
 
[TW]Fox;10342068 said:
Good skills there. Did they then hop along to the next accident with their same amazing skills of prediction and say 'That car was travelling between 10 and 100mph'
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Good point [TW].
 
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&t=421192

Also well worth a read.

Regarding 10 Pence Short ,not being funny but you lot don't really know the facts, some of you are saying the bloke on the bike was going too fast.

Dan said the car had stopped at the point of impact. Important thing there the point of impact, for all you lot know by the time the biker saw him Dan was still moving on the wrong side of the road, that closes the braking gap significantly making all this stuff about being able to stop in what you can see (which is very true) pretty much speculation as to whether he could or couldn't have stopped in the distance he could see.
 
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