What else to look at before pulling the trigger?

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I'm after another supermoto but I don't think I can stand getting off the bike after 30 minutes only to wonder where my genitalia has gone. The "true" supermotos are out, i.e. Husqvarna 570, KTM 690 SMC.

I've been looking at the bigger bikes. So far I've driven the Husqvarna Nuda 900 and the Ducati Hypermotard 820.

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The Husky has the parallel twin motor from the BMW F800 only bored out to 900 with a few modifications. It sounded pretty good and the power delivery had a fairly nice linear feel which was great for fast A roads. It felt more like a typical naked bike than a supermoto but it was still a decent ride. I can't put my finger on it but like all Huskys I have driven, it felt harsh. Everything about it seemed hard and I felt like I was on the bike rather than a part of it. It was a technically decent bike but it left me pleasantly underwhelmed.


A couple of hours later I took out the Ducati Hypermotard. What a bike! Compared to the Husky the difference was apparent right away. I felt like I was a part of the bike. The demo bike only had 28 miles on it so it was still a bit tight but it still felt more supple than the Husky that had 1300 miles on the clock. The stock pipe sounded great, as did the engine. It sounded distinctly different to the old air cooled motor but there was no doubt it was a Ducati lump.
The Ducati handled a lot better too. It tipped into corners effortlessly and I really felt like I could get a knee down if I wanted to. The three engine maps were not hat I was expecting. The urban map which pulls back the power and throttle sensitivity and turns up the ABS and traction control was good in theory but I found myself being caught out with the delayed response around the slow one way system in Winchester. The touring map was the one I had it on most. Full power, medium throttle sensitivity and the TC/ABS dialled down a bit. The sport map was far too sensitive and I found myself lunging everywhere.

I couldn't wait to get back to the Husky dealership and I was thinking of ways to blag over an hour from the Ducati dealership.

So yeah, I'm pretty much sold on the Ducati. Had I been a few years younger I'd have thrown my credit card at the salesman but the old fart in me thought it'd be best to come home and have a few days to stew over it before going ahead.

My question is, should I try anything else before going ahead? I have considered the KTM 990 Supermoto which I might have a look at next week but for some reason I'm reluctant to. Don't know why!

Anyone been in the same situation and ended up with something different? The reason I ask is that this bike hunt started with me looking at Harleys, moved onto streetfighters, a Triumph Rocket and now here I am.:D

Thanks:)
 
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Got rid of the Suzuki a while ago to pay for a wedding. Part of the deal for buying a Volvo was that I could get a bike :D

As far as discount goes on a new bike, do Ducati dealers generally have any room for movement? What about KTM? If there's no movement on the price, could I expect to get something chucked in?
 
i had the superduke out for about 4hrs and had no issues ... then took the sm out for another 4hrs and other than wheeling everywhere i had no issues . I would have bought eithier but felt (albeit stepping of a gsxr1000) they were abit slow :P

the nuda looks great fun .. there is a london vblogger who uses one and they look fab .

How about the DORSODURO 750 or dorsoduro 1200 ? or if you really need to get somewhere fast/sideways the KTM 1290 SUPER DUKE R
 
i had the superduke out for about 4hrs and had no issues ... then took the sm out for another 4hrs and other than wheeling everywhere i had no issues . I would have bought eithier but felt (albeit stepping of a gsxr1000) they were abit slow :P

the nuda looks great fun .. there is a london vblogger who uses one and they look fab .

How about the DORSODURO 750 or dorsoduro 1200 ? or if you really need to get somewhere fast/sideways the KTM 1290 SUPER DUKE R

RJ's bike sounds bloody glorious, watching him filter is pretty mesmerising too.
 
RJ's videos are what prompted me to look at the Nuda. It would be a great bike for bombing around the streets of London, just not what I'm after though.

I've considered the KTM Super Duke but it's a bit too far in the big naked bike direction and I fear I would lose my licence :p I haven't even considered the Aprillia bikes. I'll have a look now.

Thanks!
 
I just love the sound of the Nuda in his videos :D

No idea on how much cost movement Ducati have probably none, I am sure it was you who had a rubbish experience with the Winchester Ducati dealer lol?
Maybe Agnes can shed some light he spends enough on Ducati's....
 
Yeah, I went in there a few years ago and the guy I dealt with was a complete tool. A lot of water has passed under the bridge since then so I thought I'd go back, more out of convenience than anything, and the guy I dealt with this time couldn't have been better.
 
Love the Hypermotard.

How do you find it power-wise for the road? I'd be interested in getting one of these once I've got a track bike, I love my ZX6R but it's too easy to ride silly on, I want something which is fun at slower speeds, but perhaps not as asthmatic as my SV used to feel when pushing on.

I'm a massive fan of the V-twin power delivery for this but want a slight more poke than my SV delivered, is 80-90hp enough?

I see the 2013 model has 100hp and a larger fuel capacity of 16L, much better. It looks like I may have found my next bike when the second hand market develops for them in 1-2 years time
 
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Just listen to this SuperDuke. How could you even consider anything else after that? :D
I prefer the more upright riding position and I fear that if I got a SuperDuke, I'd be sans-licence very soon :p


Love the Hypermotard.

How do you find it power-wise for the road? I'd be interested in getting one of these once I've got a track bike, I love my ZX6R but it's too easy to ride silly on, I want something which is fun at slower speeds, but perhaps not as asthmatic as my SV used to feel when pushing on.

I'm a massive fan of the V-twin power delivery for this but want a slight more poke than my SV delivered, is 80-90hp enough?

I see the 2013 model has 100hp and a larger fuel capacity of 16L, much better. It looks like I may have found my next bike when the second hand market develops for them in 1-2 years time

The Hypermotard power delivery was fine on the road. Very different to the old air cooled 1100 lump which had loads of power low down. The new water cooled 820 engine revs very freely and picks up pace around 5k RPM all the way to 10k. The electronic mapping for "Urban" mode makes delivery around town smooth enough.

The new Hypermotard definitely needs to be worked harder to keep pace but bloody hell it's a big improvement IMO. Listening to that Ducati thump along at 9k RPM while you're leant over at 45 degrees is a great feeling. The bike now encourages you to get involved whereas I found the old bike encouraged a lazier approach to riding.

The bike is capable of 120mph quite easily but I'm pretty sure that's the reason my neck is a stiff as a paedo in a playground. Anything over 80mph is a chore.
 
Having ridden the hypermotard after looking after one for a bit. They are jolly good fun! Go like the clappers as well.
 
I prefer the more upright riding position and I fear that if I got a SuperDuke, I'd be sans-licence very soon :p




The Hypermotard power delivery was fine on the road. Very different to the old air cooled 1100 lump which had loads of power low down. The new water cooled 820 engine revs very freely and picks up pace around 5k RPM all the way to 10k. The electronic mapping for "Urban" mode makes delivery around town smooth enough.

The new Hypermotard definitely needs to be worked harder to keep pace but bloody hell it's a big improvement IMO. Listening to that Ducati thump along at 9k RPM while you're leant over at 45 degrees is a great feeling. The bike now encourages you to get involved whereas I found the old bike encouraged a lazier approach to riding.

The bike is capable of 120mph quite easily but I'm pretty sure that's the reason my neck is a stiff as a paedo in a playground. Anything over 80mph is a chore.

I'll have to see if Mr. Ducati will lend me one for a day. Won't be buying til the end of next year at the latest anyway, and I'll only be 22 then so they'll probably shoo me out of the showroom :o
 
I'll have to see if Mr. Ducati will lend me one for a day. Won't be buying til the end of next year at the latest anyway, and I'll only be 22 then so they'll probably shoo me out of the showroom :o

I can't speak for everyone but when I went into this particular Ducati dealership when I was 24, the guy pretty much said to me that the only chance I had of getting a test drive was to buy the bike. When I said I wasn't going to buy a bike without driving it, he said I had no intentions of buying it anyway :eek:
Good luck getting it for the day. An hour was the best I could do!

So yeah, even as a serious buyer be prepared for that sort of attitude. I think the guy I dealt with then was just a dick so you might have more luck, but I do find the likes of Ducati and BMW dealerships to have a higher proportion of those sorts :p
 
BMW Oxford and BMW Alton (Motorrads that is) have always been pretty good for me with test rides. Generally it was a K1300S, and it was "however long you want". Alton suggested an hour, and I countered that it's a long-distance bike so I'll be doing long distance :).

I like Alton now.
 
So after a week of conflicted thinking, I called Crescent Motorcycles in Verwood today to see if I could have a look at a KTM 990 SMR. Pretty much all of the reviews I have looked at have deemed the KTM the superior bike so it would be silly not to have a look. I decided that I initially didn't want to look at the KTM because I was afraid it would be better than the Ducati, which I love.

But there's a problem. They don't have a demo bike and they're not getting one. Apparently no KTM dealers have a demo bike as the 990 SMR is hard to get a hold of right now. The guy told me right there and then that if I were to go ahead and buy, he would throw in a full Akrapovic exhaust system for free. That's got to be well over a grands worth.

I'm torn. The more I read, the more I hear that the KTM is the better bike, but I'm VERY reluctant to drop almost £10k on a bike without driving it. I suppose I could go to a dealer selling one second hand to blag a test drive but it's not in my nature to do that.

Any suggestions? The more I look at the KTM, the more I like it. I still really like the Hypermotard but I plan on having this bike for a while and I want to get it right.
 
Wait until you find a test ride you will regret if you buy the wrong bike.

I would not worry about hurting a dealers feeling he will not loose any sleep over a none purchase I a sure you.
 
I think if you're going to be spending 10k on a bike, temporarily pause your nature and find a 2nd hand one to try.

And yeah, as .one. says.
 
Wait until you find a test ride you will regret if you buy the wrong bike.

I would not worry about hurting a dealers feeling he will not loose any sleep over a none purchase I a sure you.

This tbh, if your going to be laying down £10K+ on a new bike, don't be the slightest bit fazed about hurting the dealers feelings, find a dealer with a second hand model in & take it for spin, don't buy blind, it'll only bite you in the ass doing that.
 
In my own personal opinion, there is no choice here.

I wouldn't buy a Husqvarna with someone elses money let alone my own.

The Ducati is hideous and the KTM is an astounding motorcycle.

So yes, KTM.

Says him going to Webbs on saturday to choose between a speed triple and a MT09.
 
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