What "Gaming" monitor for £400/450

Nevakonaza · 27 Jun 2019 at 20:29

Looking to upgrade my monitor,Currently stuck on a LG IPS 60HZ 1920x1080 which is fine but does hurt my eyes compared to my old LG 120Hz TN Panel,And i do notice quite significant screen tearing in Xplane 11.

Im stuck what to really go for,Should i go for the highest refresh rate possible but it possibly be a TN panel,Or stick with a VA or IPS panel but be on 100/144Hz.

Also as i have an Nvidia card (1070Ti) should i go for Gsync or FreeSync (G-sync compatible) like what Overclockers sell?

Im leaning more towards a 1440P / 144Hz route as a 4K monitor would be nice but the refresh rate just isn't there,Certainly not within say £400/450 budget that i could see so far.

appreciate the help

Rofflay · 27 Jun 2019 at 21:33

Nevakonaza said:
Looking to upgrade my monitor,Currently stuck on a LG IPS 60HZ 1920x1080 which is fine but does hurt my eyes compared to my old LG 120Hz TN Panel,And i do notice quite significant screen tearing in Xplane 11.

Im stuck what to really go for,Should i go for the highest refresh rate possible but it possibly be a TN panel,Or stick with a VA or IPS panel but be on 100/144Hz.

Also as i have an Nvidia card (1070Ti) should i go for Gsync or FreeSync (G-sync compatible) like what Overclockers sell?

Im leaning more towards a 1440P / 144Hz route as a 4K monitor would be nice but the refresh rate just isn't there,Certainly not within say £400/450 budget that i could see so far.

appreciate the help

Below is the next gen panels with 0.5ms and works with Nvidia and AMD and further it has true 8bit not 6 plus 2 trc. The new TN panels are like the old IPS now colorwise this is good it is just viewing angles where TN suffers so sit head on properly dont slouch.

For Apex Fortnite CS etc thats the best you can get and 1080p is ok with 8xMSAA so thats CS etc covered for the rest go into control panel enable DSR x4 only and set smoothness to 0%. Now go do 4k 240hz and your eyes will not hurt i did the very same thing as long as you can do 120minimum fps and can bounce up to 200 this is the monitor to play on and 4k looks amazing. Im wondering how long until OCUK get some...

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/giga...ync-led-backlit-gaming-monitor-mo-001-gi.html

JediFragger · 28 Jun 2019 at 08:10

Sounds nuts but I bought the AOC Q3279VWFD8 for a crazy low price and it's absolutely fantastic! Only bad point is 75hz, but it's miles better than 60 even though it's only 25% more. Great value if you have the space for a 32" :cool:

(works with both nVidia and AMD cards btw)

EsaT · 28 Jun 2019 at 10:56

FreeSync is only sensible choise.
No reason to shackle yourself to be slave of super greedy company.
With also Intel joining discrete GPU game in next year, situation can be entirely different in two years.

2560x1440 is the sweet spot for resolution, unless you're heavily into competitive fps gaming.

Rofflay said:
The new TN panels are like the old IPS now colorwise this is good it is just viewing angles where TN suffers

Colours would mean something, if TN's lack of vertical viewing angle wouldn't make darker shades darken in upper edge of monitor while bright shades brighten in lower edge when viewed straight from center.

At least 90% of monitor "advance" is marketing cherry picking more and more best case values and straight away lying.
The amount of money wasted for polishing LCD turd would have no doubt brought true flat monitor tech closer to consumers.

TN has best response time, but no vertical viewing angle with brightness/colour shift between lower and upper edge when viewed straight from center.
VA has best contrast/darkest black, but at the expense of "black crush" and certain transition response times are very challenging to get reasonable.
IPS wins VA in better consistency of response times and avoids black crush, while losing in contrast and with A-TW filter would have colour stability/viewing angles closest to CRT.

Nevakonaza · 30 Jun 2019 at 18:52

Really appreciate your replies guys,been looking at monitors 2 days now and still cannot decide what to go for,Im a bit like meh should i write off VA panel because i dont like the look of that "Black crushing",Would drive me up the wall i think

While the higher refresh rate is very tempting on the TN panels,You guys reckon i should go with.

1440P / IPS / Freesync?

Thinking of one of these...

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/asus...escreen-led-slim-bezel-monitor-mo-083-as.html

Downfall of that monitor ^ 4ms :/

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/msi-...rved-widescreen-gaming-monitor-mo-005-ms.html

VA panel (potential black crushing?) ^

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/aoc-...d-multimedia-monitor-black-red-mo-047-ao.html
(Great specs and price but older TN :/) ^

What you think chaps

Rofflay · 30 Jun 2019 at 21:47

I think you are cheating yourself rendering things at 1440p sure its 1440p when standing still once you move it blurs to about 640p. I have one of if not the best VA motion examples FG2421 and 240hz still has tiny amounts at 240hz.

So you will drop 100hz just to get 1440p i hate 1440p i think in honesty 1440p is one of the most over rated stop gaps ever. 1080p can do 1440p and 2160p 1440p is 1440p but no one ever listens to me. Theres a whole mass of people rendering at 1440p and have 640p myopia motion blur. Its crazy anything below 120hz strobed or 240hz native is garbage for motion so why bother rendering the pixels in the first place? Its the same with 4k its crazy people pay big money for 4k while standing still and again 640p while in motion.

Some displays can counter this by using ULMB or ELMB but you lose sync technology so you need a fast panel with low motion blur. There are none that exist outside of 1080p period.

V F · 1 Jul 2019 at 01:45

Rofflay said:
Below is the next gen panels with 0.5ms and works with Nvidia and AMD and further it has true 8bit not 6 plus 2 trc. The new TN panels are like the old IPS now colorwise this is good it is just viewing angles where TN suffers so sit head on properly dont slouch.

For Apex Fortnite CS etc thats the best you can get and 1080p is ok with 8xMSAA so thats CS etc covered for the rest go into control panel enable DSR x4 only and set smoothness to 0%. Now go do 4k 240hz and your eyes will not hurt i did the very same thing as long as you can do 120minimum fps and can bounce up to 200 this is the monitor to play on and 4k looks amazing. Im wondering how long until OCUK get some...

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/giga...ync-led-backlit-gaming-monitor-mo-001-gi.html

Ohhh! Pretty slick looking. Yet it's Gsync as well...

This may be the display I've been after... Though I need more review comparisons.

Rofflay · 1 Jul 2019 at 19:49

V F said:
Ohhh! Pretty slick looking. Yet it's Gsync as well...

This may be the display I've been after... Though I need more review comparisons.

The contrast in the previews looks better than the first gen PG258Q i had which had to go back faulty. Clearly looks decent it must be 1000:1 and 8 bit making it look good and as you said both AMD and Nvidia support as well. There really is nothing to compare this too as there is also strobing im told as well. So if that is true it should be an amazing leap for 240hz. It was pretty rough on the first gen panels many had leakage and mine had a blue tint all along the bezels also.

V F · 1 Jul 2019 at 21:11

I'm surprised how little reviews there is of this display. I'm really itching to order it but don't want to find there is something else better... There is also nothing of this display on NVIDIA's GSync list except the 27 Gigabyte Aorus 2560x1400 10bit 1MS IPS panel. Which makes me confused.

Been waiting on these 0.5 displays since October. The question is how long before we see more...

Rofflay · 1 Jul 2019 at 21:46

V F said:
I'm surprised how little reviews there is of this display. I'm really itching to order it but don't want to find there is something else better... There is also nothing of this display on NVIDIA's GSync list except the 27 Gigabyte Aorus 2560x1400 10bit 1MS IPS panel. Which makes me confused.

Been waiting on these 0.5 displays since October. The question is how long before we see more...

I waited 6 months before MSI decided to tell the truth that they only had the 251R prefix 1ms and 0.5ms was still TBA. You are right there is infancy here that i why there are no real reviews yet. It is niche also people go nuts when they see £494 24 inch 1080p panels which makes it worse to get loads of feedback. I also looked around and i have not heard of any better 0.5ms monitors due this is the only one apart from an Acer 0.5ms but if you read up on this there is so much tech crammed in here that is a first like 0.5ms 8bit color and strobing. So even if you pre order can you not use DSR to send it back?

Also one final point about this not showing on the Nvidia website it comes pre certified to work with Nvidia it says on the website. So that is why there is nothing on the Nvidia website as that i think is for exclusive freesync monitors and this is not one of those. And another thing they still never certified the Alienware AW2518HF which is the £299 panel i was going to buy before i seen this 8bit Gigabyte beauty.

koc · 2 Jul 2019 at 03:00

Thank you guys for the link
AORUS KD25F
Yesterday i sold my monitor (asus pg279q) and i was locking for 1080p monitor instead, and to be honest I was afraid to go with TN panel because its only 6bit not true 8bit panel, but this aorus KD25F won my money, i just ordered one, can't wait to get it .

Rofflay · 2 Jul 2019 at 03:19

koc said:
Thank you guys for the link
AORUS KD25F
Yesterday i sold my monitor (asus pg279q) and i was locking for 1080p monitor instead, and to be honest I was afraid to go with TN panel because its only 6bit not true 8bit panel, but this aorus KD25F won my money, i just ordered one, can't wait to get it .

Blurbusters says it strobes also the motion at 240hz plus 0.5ms plus strobing plus flicker free technology boy this should be literally blur free i hope so compared to the tiny bit on the first gen panels.

Also do not run all games at 1080p try Nvidia DSR x4 with 0% smoothing to get crisp blur free 4k
If a game plays funny set the desktop res to DSR 4k first. It will make the desktop 1/4 size so you will have to click your game exe then the game will see your display as a 240fps 4k panel. If the mouse gets stuck to 1/4 the screen right click properties of the exe and disable high dpi scaling.

Boom

koc · 2 Jul 2019 at 12:39

Rofflay said:
Blurbusters says it strobes also the motion at 240hz plus 0.5ms plus strobing plus flicker free technology boy this should be literally blur free i hope so compared to the tiny bit on the first gen panels.

Also do not run all games at 1080p try Nvidia DSR x4 with 0% smoothing to get crisp blur free 4k
If a game plays funny set the desktop res to DSR 4k first. It will make the desktop 1/4 size so you will have to click your game exe then the game will see your display as a 240fps 4k panel. If the mouse gets stuck to 1/4 the screen right click properties of the exe and disable high dpi scaling.

Boom

I don't know why, but I cancelled my order, and i order Aorus AD27QD 27" it has a very good reviews and its has much better features for gamers, IMHO.

V F · 2 Jul 2019 at 12:48

Rofflay said:
Blurbusters says it strobes also the motion at 240hz plus 0.5ms plus strobing plus flicker free technology boy this should be literally blur free i hope so compared to the tiny bit on the first gen panels.

Also do not run all games at 1080p try Nvidia DSR x4 with 0% smoothing to get crisp blur free 4k
If a game plays funny set the desktop res to DSR 4k first. It will make the desktop 1/4 size so you will have to click your game exe then the game will see your display as a 240fps 4k panel. If the mouse gets stuck to 1/4 the screen right click properties of the exe and disable high dpi scaling.

Boom

Hmm...

Feels like shilling... 6:22.

Darujhistan · 2 Jul 2019 at 14:57

koc said:
I don't know why, but I cancelled my order, and i order Aorus AD27QD 27" it has a very good reviews and its has much better features for gamers, IMHO.

It's a great monitor.

V F · 10 Jul 2019 at 08:50

Rofflay said:
Blurbusters says it strobes also the motion at 240hz plus 0.5ms plus strobing plus flicker free technology boy this should be literally blur free i hope so compared to the tiny bit on the first gen panels.

Hmm, I decided to jump on this after all. It felt so weird coming from a 2005 60Hz screen. How smooth AFPS games feels on it, it was weird at first like someone turned on the soap opera effect as if it was feeling way too smooth.

This is going to take a bit of getting used to. Sometimes LG tracking locks on so easily. It feels nowhere as mentally exhausting trying to track quickly on a 60Hz screen. Also strange how being used to 500Hz polling on the mouse felt so nice with 60Hz, now 500Hz feels slightly jittery on 240Hz where 1000Hz feels so much smoother for it.

FPS games feels like a brand new experience again but extremely fun. Though it strangely feels too smooth.

The screen looks very good with an all black image. Looks as even as my IPS 1440p CG Eizo.

I was also reading last week when I was thinking of getting the 27" model, the AD27QD falls back to 120Hz if you want 10bit gaming. I suppose it would be really nice for single player games...

Rofflay · 10 Jul 2019 at 19:47

V F said:
Hmm, I decided to jump on this after all. It felt so weird coming from a 2005 60Hz screen. How smooth AFPS games feels on it, it was weird at first like someone turned on the soap opera effect as if it was feeling way too smooth.

This is going to take a bit of getting used to. Sometimes LG tracking locks on so easily. It feels nowhere as mentally exhausting trying to track quickly on a 60Hz screen. Also strange how being used to 500Hz polling on the mouse felt so nice with 60Hz, now 500Hz feels slightly jittery on 240Hz where 1000Hz feels so much smoother for it.

FPS games feels like a brand new experience again but extremely fun. Though it strangely feels too smooth.

The screen looks very good with an all black image. Looks as even as my IPS 1440p CG Eizo.

I was also reading last week when I was thinking of getting the 27" model, the AD27QD falls back to 120Hz if you want 10bit gaming. I suppose it would be really nice for single player games...

What did you buy bro? The soap opera effect is one i never had i just could NOT play Bulletstorm it was making me sick even 5minutes was too much. On 240hz its a great shooter an absoloute blast so yea it deffo works.

Your mouse polling is also predictable, you see the gaps when you do circles on the desktop? Well even 1000hz has big gaps you are only going to see this clearly at 240fps due to the ultra low blur but the gaps still mean mouse stutter even though again mouseplay benefits hugely from 240hz. You now see we need like 10,000hz mice.

Also do you need a guide on DSR then if you are on 1080p? Because not all games will let you do 4k why do 1080p in rocket league when you can go to control panel set DSR to X4 ans smoothness to 0. Now go to desktop res pick the 4k res that says 3840x2160 there are two of them listed for me i think i have to select a specfic one. Once done im fixed to 4k 240hz even on my desktop sometimes the cursor sticks so the game exe must be right clicked to properties and high dpi scaling disabled. This gives you 4k 240hz in games like Rocket League you may prefer this also i prefer this and lowered settings compared to maxed out 1080p.

Also i did a edit as i tabbed to see if the KD25f was in stock and it is so wow you were one of the first then to get one? I guess this is why you mentioned the blacks it makes sense true 8 bit color and 1000:1 contrast ratio is a thing now on TN it has come a HUGE distance. Congrats by the way!

V F · 10 Jul 2019 at 20:54

Well, it felt like the soap opera effect without feeling sickly jumping from 60Hz to 240Hz. It was very "wow this is so fluid smooth in Quake Champions" that it's so strange not to see motion blur which made me think of the soap opera effect when fast tracking. Especially light characters. They were hard to track on 60Hz.

I do see the gaps moving the cursor very fast on the desktop with 1000Hz that 60Hz blurred together. It has certainly made gaming feel brand new again with the fluidity in motion.

I'm not up to speed with DSR? I'm not following how a game can scale such a high res down to a 1080p screen...

As for first having the KD25F, somehow I doubt it but I haven't seen anyone else discussing it. It sure is a slick monitor bar the stand handle. With the screen right to the edges. I'm so glad it's a matte screen like my others plus it's so nice gaming on it at night. Quite rich looking contrast for a matte screen.

Before this screen I originally had my eye set on the Viewsonic XG2560 240Hz G-Sync but you had to import it. It was only sold in the U.S. I think this KD25F is a keeper since the panel when 0 black video is sent has an all even black screen which makes the contrast very nice like the IPS Eizo.

Rofflay · 10 Jul 2019 at 21:08

V F said:
Well, it felt like the soap opera effect without feeling sickly jumping from 60Hz to 240Hz. It was very "wow this is so fluid smooth in Quake Champions" that it's so strange not to see motion blur which made me think of the soap opera effect when fast tracking. Especially light characters. They were hard to track on 60Hz.

I do see the gaps moving the cursor very fast on the desktop with 1000Hz that 60Hz blurred together. It has certainly made gaming feel brand new again with the fluidity in motion.

I'm not up to speed with DSR? I'm not following how a game can scale such a high res down to a 1080p screen...

As for first having the KD25F, somehow I doubt it but I haven't seen anyone else discussing it. It sure is a slick monitor bar the stand handle. With the screen right to the edges. I'm so glad it's a matte screen like my others plus it's so nice gaming on it at night. Quite rich looking contrast for a matte screen.

Before this screen I originally had my eye set on the Viewsonic XG2560 240Hz G-Sync but you had to import it. It was only sold in the U.S. I think this KD25F is a keeper since the panel when 0 black video is sent has an all even black screen which makes the contrast very nice like the IPS Eizo.

Congrats i did not know it was in stock. VF start a thread you should christen the owners thread and in turn i will do a guide on DSR there. The main thing you are noticing though is motion blur and there are overdrive settings that supposedly strobe at 240hz so im thinking there no blur at all once calibrated. Thats your next step.

As for DSR how can you put 4k on a 1080p? I think they sample each pixel four times mate so X4 equals 4k improved textures, color everything you are going to have your jaw on the floor once you master this. There only is one problem you scale the image down so crisp the UI can sometimes become broke as in too small to use or click the exe. Its something i learned to live with good games aka modern games allow scaling of the UI some like Overwatch flat out keep the same size UI no matter the resolution. But the image fidelity increase is huge.

It is very easy to do all you have to do is set smoothness to 0% and enable the tickbox in the DSR setting that says x4 and select 4k as your ingame res. Try swapping quickly between that and 1080p as a good indicator. The quality is better than Supersampling once you set smoothing to 0%. But it only works well at x4 so that really means its only going to give pixel perfect downscaling from 4k to 1080p but thats perfect for this monitor. It will futureproof the monitor for a long time you get 50% of the 4k experience but keep the zero blur 240fps.