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What have AMD got planned to catch Intel?
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Duke said:The people who keep to one manufacturer are nuttersOk go ahead and buy a 4800+ X2 for £50 more then a Conroe which would beat it and stock and annihilate it when overclocked
Just as I said, my opinion will upset you conroe people, not to say any of you are intel fanboys
I sold my X2 4400 and now going over to C2D, however it is in a Macbook Pro 
i want to take some time out of the PC arena, see what awesome developments happen over *** next 3 years, then maybe get back into PC's.
Will give me time to save also
i want to take some time out of the PC arena, see what awesome developments happen over *** next 3 years, then maybe get back into PC's.Will give me time to save also
I'm not upset - just surprised by some of the strong fanboy replies (not you)dark4orz said:Just as I said, my opinion will upset you conroe people, not to say any of you are intel fanboys
I've had Opteron, A64s, P4s etc.
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Doubt I can be accused of being an Intel fanboy, my current processor's a 2.8 Pentium D, but my previous one was an AMD and the one before was a Cyrix 
Fact is, in terms of cost effectiveness the lower end Conroes outperform anything else on the market, and the high end ones outgun anything else on the market. AMD currently loses on both price and performance, so why are we having this conversation? Conroe's not the second coming, there's a reason I've not replaced mine, but if you're building a PC today, can anyone give a serious reason not to use one? Apart from "Intel smells funny"
Fact is, in terms of cost effectiveness the lower end Conroes outperform anything else on the market, and the high end ones outgun anything else on the market. AMD currently loses on both price and performance, so why are we having this conversation? Conroe's not the second coming, there's a reason I've not replaced mine, but if you're building a PC today, can anyone give a serious reason not to use one? Apart from "Intel smells funny"
dark4orz said:
to a degree I would have to agree with you - my first conroe died within 2 weeks of overclocking it - but it could have been a bad batch as a friend of mine who ordered at the same time and place as me has also had his die and hes been running at stock speeds only... also my brother (who ordered his E6600 from elsewhere) while its running fine from the quick OCing tests he did, couldn't get anywhere near the performance others are getting from older conroes at stock voltages without having to up the voltage a lot... needless to say after my experience hes running his strictly at stock speeds...
however an E6600 at stock speed is v. v. fast, power efficent and cool running - I don't see why any one would buy AMD right now as you have to pay more than twice as much to get performance even approaching a basic C2D.
I have to be blunt here, but I see a lot of hard-core AMD users here ( Me Included ) but I got to be honest... I got a P4 3.6HT system that came along at a song... Now the System is quite honestly a pile of cats bums... Its poor slow and it realyl does seem like its about to go into reverse its that bad, however, I put this down to the Motherboard simply being plonky, so I decided on a new one... Seeing as the Case it was in was a hot bugger, I decided to use another case, and this would also let me use any other Motherboard... The good clocker seems to be the DS3, so I got that... I knew that I should be ok with a conroe one day you see...
Anyway, needless to say, a CPU and a Good clocking board ( DS3 ) in my house dont stay stock for long... a week later, I decided to go play and I got 4.3Ghz with absolutely no effort at all, and it primed for 4 days, I have now accepted that that PC is a good PC.... I upped it again the other day, and so far its on day 2 priming @ 4.7Ghz
Anyway, a few weeks ago, I decided to go conroe however, I have messed up a little... The RAM I got is only 533 RAM, o the conroe is having to stay stock for now, plus I only got 2 sticks, so at this time, its the P4 being picked on with only 1GB rather than having both at 512 which would be useless.
Now, at stock, the conroe is not as fast as many people seem to make out, sure its nice and nippy etc, but I really dont see where they do get off in stating that it will kill any AMD cos it simply does not. Its about on par with a basic dual core AMD... Marginally quicker than a 3800, just below a 4200 for example, depending on the Mobos too!
When oyu clock them they do clock like hell though, and there is simply no AMD on the planet thats even close to the conroes potential, there simply isnt.
Now, if you already have a fairly good AMD system, then gettign rid of it just to go conroe can be a little bit silly.
If, however, you have a PC thats not exactly the cutting edge and you really need MOBO, RAM & CPU upgrading, then I got to be honest, but not going for a conroe just because its Intel must be the most stupid reason going.
Sure, as I said, if you got AMD everythigns and just want to stay with AMD cos all you need is a better CPU, then sure, dont waste money on the intels, but avoiding intels just because they are intels, is silly.
I am still in the process of moving to intel, however, my main system is still my X2 4400 and for the forseable future, it will still be, unless the conroe does indeed "Blow it out of the water" as I have found my AMD to be instant at everythign I ask it to do, while the conroe and the P4 have both had a few little pauses on some things such as running half a dozen apps, the AMD walks all over both, but then, with the AMD I have had time to tweak the Mobos here and there and I have not given the Intels time to settle, so...
Anyway, just look at the figures for things like SuperPI... They cant all be wrong can they? These conroes have a reputation that AMD wont be able to shake off anytime soon.
Anyway, needless to say, a CPU and a Good clocking board ( DS3 ) in my house dont stay stock for long... a week later, I decided to go play and I got 4.3Ghz with absolutely no effort at all, and it primed for 4 days, I have now accepted that that PC is a good PC.... I upped it again the other day, and so far its on day 2 priming @ 4.7Ghz
Anyway, a few weeks ago, I decided to go conroe however, I have messed up a little... The RAM I got is only 533 RAM, o the conroe is having to stay stock for now, plus I only got 2 sticks, so at this time, its the P4 being picked on with only 1GB rather than having both at 512 which would be useless.
Now, at stock, the conroe is not as fast as many people seem to make out, sure its nice and nippy etc, but I really dont see where they do get off in stating that it will kill any AMD cos it simply does not. Its about on par with a basic dual core AMD... Marginally quicker than a 3800, just below a 4200 for example, depending on the Mobos too!
When oyu clock them they do clock like hell though, and there is simply no AMD on the planet thats even close to the conroes potential, there simply isnt.
Now, if you already have a fairly good AMD system, then gettign rid of it just to go conroe can be a little bit silly.
If, however, you have a PC thats not exactly the cutting edge and you really need MOBO, RAM & CPU upgrading, then I got to be honest, but not going for a conroe just because its Intel must be the most stupid reason going.
Sure, as I said, if you got AMD everythigns and just want to stay with AMD cos all you need is a better CPU, then sure, dont waste money on the intels, but avoiding intels just because they are intels, is silly.
I am still in the process of moving to intel, however, my main system is still my X2 4400 and for the forseable future, it will still be, unless the conroe does indeed "Blow it out of the water" as I have found my AMD to be instant at everythign I ask it to do, while the conroe and the P4 have both had a few little pauses on some things such as running half a dozen apps, the AMD walks all over both, but then, with the AMD I have had time to tweak the Mobos here and there and I have not given the Intels time to settle, so...
Anyway, just look at the figures for things like SuperPI... They cant all be wrong can they? These conroes have a reputation that AMD wont be able to shake off anytime soon.
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I don't know what amd have up their sleeve. Quite frankly I have this feeling it will be pretty impressive. But I've just bought myself a core 2 duo so I am hoping that whatever it is doesn't come out too soon!
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yeah go AMD 4x4 and with it buy a powerstation to power it, at least you wont need any central heating in your house!
ok enough sarcasm, seriously I remember AMD attacking intel for having ineficient, heatgenerating CPUs that were slow and also saying that their way of have dual core was 'improper' because that had to use 'double core' rather than 'dual core'. Dont get me wrong im no fanboy Intel sucked big time before conroe and they deserved the beating for their obvious arrogance but seriously 4x4 is a joke, if putting two CPUs in one package is bad then what is using two complete CPUs? THG says a CPU power usage of 250watts for 4 cores compared with intels 120ish for kentsfield. Im not sure here but do I sense some hypocracy somewhere?
as for saying that conroe is on par with a AMD 3800+ im sorry but I believe that to be a misguided statement, real life usage proves that this is simply not the case, not only in performace but price and energy consumption also
ok enough sarcasm, seriously I remember AMD attacking intel for having ineficient, heatgenerating CPUs that were slow and also saying that their way of have dual core was 'improper' because that had to use 'double core' rather than 'dual core'. Dont get me wrong im no fanboy Intel sucked big time before conroe and they deserved the beating for their obvious arrogance but seriously 4x4 is a joke, if putting two CPUs in one package is bad then what is using two complete CPUs? THG says a CPU power usage of 250watts for 4 cores compared with intels 120ish for kentsfield. Im not sure here but do I sense some hypocracy somewhere?
as for saying that conroe is on par with a AMD 3800+ im sorry but I believe that to be a misguided statement, real life usage proves that this is simply not the case, not only in performace but price and energy consumption also
What will happen if either Intel or AMD perished, one bought the other, or even lost their positions to a nother chip maker "in the future that is", will fanboys and 
loyal customers:
1- not use a computer
2- act like nothing ever happened
3- stick with their last aging rig that used a cpu from their preffered chip maker
4- learn from their experiance and stop being stubborn
Never mind me here I'm just being stupid and all, but for those who wont take no for an answer then why not resurrect your chip maker 
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Good to be back to the forum
loyal customers:1- not use a computer
2- act like nothing ever happened
3- stick with their last aging rig that used a cpu from their preffered chip maker
4- learn from their experiance and stop being stubborn
Never mind me here I'm just being stupid and all
, but for those who wont take no for an answer then why not resurrect your chip maker .Good to be back to the forum
Nothing to do with fanboyism, however I feel AMD need to come up with a better chip to keep the market competitive that is how advances are made in chip technology. If Intel were the only chip maker do you think we would have conroe? Possibly not now, so come on AMD produce a great chip and give the Intel boys some work to do.
lucifersam said:
Actually, thats the impression I am getting, or rather TBH, my RAM isnt even rated to 266, although it does do it.
The RAM I got is actually DDR2 PC3200 ( Not a lot of people believe they exist, but mine was a mistake buy cos I thought I was getting cheap DDR!?!?!? )
Anyway, I would say that my stock conroe is about on par with the 3800 yes... Not put them head to head cos that RAM is currently in the P4 system getting that to dizzy heights while I wait to get off my bum and buy good RAM for the conroe... Im just not really in that much of a rush with xmas coming near, its a bit 50-50 cos my mum and the missus said for xmas I can have 4GB of DDR800 ( They are going halves ) so its a question of getting of better RAM now, which is probably a gig of 6400 or getting some GREAT RAM in a few weeks...
I agree with Adnan769 on this one.
I have been a very stubborn AMD user, only going to intel on the off-chance when a PC comes up for cheap, and even recently I got the 3.6Ghz PC for a kick cos it was cheap as chips and even that was a serious pile of junk and slow as hell... Ended up replacing the board & RAM, and re-housing it and next thing I know, its clocking like a charm, provign to me, that Intel are nowhere near as bad as I originally thought! - The AMD PCs are still my favourite however... I am no intel FAN just yet... I have only just opened my eyes, but boy, they are widening every day.
Arent AMDs Quad CPUs going to be using a whole new Board also?
I know that the DS3 I have, and the DS4 ( There are some others too ) will take the Intels Kentsfield straight off the bat ( The DS3 needs the F7 BIOS however ) so on that score, Im ready to play Quad should the need arrise?
( The need being more of jealousy when other have it rather than necessity - and lets all be honest here, but I recon 95% of us have a fast PC purely due to jealousy )
I have spent a hell of a lot of money going towards Intel, and I still have not fully made the move... I got a P4 thats extremely quick for what I have previously known of P4's and the conroe has not even had its clocking sessions yet, so I am still leaning on the AMDs.
So, will this mean that when AMD bring out their Conroe killer, will I have to start all over again and re-build my AMD boxes to cater for their new CPU?
Cos I heve to admit, that my AMDs are all running far faster than I could realistically need them to be, the P4 is rocking the boat right now, and the conroe will floor the lot once I get off my rear, so I seriously doubt that during the whoel of 2K7 that I will actualyl need to upgrade at all?- At least I hope I wont anyway.
My current systems include ( But are not limited to )
NF7S & XP1700 @ 2.7
NF7S & XP2500 @ 2.5
MSI Delta-L & XP1700 @ 2.4
Gigabyte K8VT800M & Sempron 3100 @ stock
DFI LanParty 250UT & ClawHammer 3700 @ Stock
DFI LanParty 250UT & Newcastle 3000 @ 2.5
MSI Neo2 & Winchester 3200 @ 2.5
MSI Neo2 & Opteron 144 @ 2.48
MSI Neo4 & x2 4400 @ 2.6
Gigabyte DS3 & P4 @ 4.5 ( Had more, but this is prime stable )
Gigabyte DS3 & E6300 @ Stock ( Soon to change )
Few others, not worth shouting about, and definitely nothing to sniff at from any of them really.
I know that the DS3 I have, and the DS4 ( There are some others too ) will take the Intels Kentsfield straight off the bat ( The DS3 needs the F7 BIOS however ) so on that score, Im ready to play Quad should the need arrise?
( The need being more of jealousy when other have it rather than necessity - and lets all be honest here, but I recon 95% of us have a fast PC purely due to jealousy )
I have spent a hell of a lot of money going towards Intel, and I still have not fully made the move... I got a P4 thats extremely quick for what I have previously known of P4's and the conroe has not even had its clocking sessions yet, so I am still leaning on the AMDs.
So, will this mean that when AMD bring out their Conroe killer, will I have to start all over again and re-build my AMD boxes to cater for their new CPU?
Cos I heve to admit, that my AMDs are all running far faster than I could realistically need them to be, the P4 is rocking the boat right now, and the conroe will floor the lot once I get off my rear, so I seriously doubt that during the whoel of 2K7 that I will actualyl need to upgrade at all?- At least I hope I wont anyway.
My current systems include ( But are not limited to )
NF7S & XP1700 @ 2.7
NF7S & XP2500 @ 2.5
MSI Delta-L & XP1700 @ 2.4
Gigabyte K8VT800M & Sempron 3100 @ stock
DFI LanParty 250UT & ClawHammer 3700 @ Stock
DFI LanParty 250UT & Newcastle 3000 @ 2.5
MSI Neo2 & Winchester 3200 @ 2.5
MSI Neo2 & Opteron 144 @ 2.48
MSI Neo4 & x2 4400 @ 2.6
Gigabyte DS3 & P4 @ 4.5 ( Had more, but this is prime stable )
Gigabyte DS3 & E6300 @ Stock ( Soon to change )
Few others, not worth shouting about, and definitely nothing to sniff at from any of them really.
, i want to make a new pc but the current amd ones are getting owned by the intel ones.