What if it was your child?

Cuchulain · 27 May 2011 at 13:17

Anominity said:
You are the only one posting tripe here. I quoted literacy rates in order to give you an understanding that the Zimbabwean education system was good before the land reform act. My point was that there is only a very small contingent of "yobs" there, due in no small part to corporal punishment, as regulus said, Zimbabwean students are respectful and polite. Here however, there is little respect for teachers (and going on once they have left school, for anyone) from students.

As I also stated earlier, I do not agree with this video because he appears to be beating them for getting stuff wrong. If it was for misbehaving I would be all for it.

Get this through your head, UK - with no corporal punishment has a greater literacy rate than Zimbabwe, do you understand this simple concept?

Either your argument is based on how literate people are or how disrespectful they are, make your mind up!

Nerusy · 27 May 2011 at 13:19

Beating kids up is taking the easy route to discipline them...that also has negative consequence on their mental well being.

I think the UK is a bit more civilized than to resolve to beating children.

franco_22 · 27 May 2011 at 13:21

When I was in Primary school we'd get slapped in the face and one time the teacher almost took my ear off, literally half of it was hanging of my head! The next day she went to do it again but noticed the bandage so just slapped me in the face instead!!

Kids have it way too easier now a days, that's why they are so misbehaved.

Cuchulain · 27 May 2011 at 13:22

franco_22 said:
When I was in Primary school we'd get slapped in the face and one time the teacher almost took my ear off, literally half of it was hanging of my head! The next day she went to do it again but noticed the bandage so just slapped me in the face instead!!

Kids have it way too easier now a days, that's why they are so misbehaved.

And you'll notice that corporal punishment did sweet FA for your literacy

Anominity · 27 May 2011 at 13:23

Cuchulain said:
Get this through your head, UK - with no corporal punishment has a greater literacy rate than Zimbabwe, do you understand this simple concept?

Either your argument is based on how literate people are or how disrespectful they are, make your mind up!

How about YOU try getting this through YOUR head, my first post had NOTHING to do with literacy rates, I only brought them into the conversation when you started berating Zimbabwe as a whole. My point, ALL along was this:

Coming from Zimbabwe, corporal punishment was the norm and quite frankly I still think it is probably the best method. All these pansy Western schools that pander to the students as if they could never do anything wrong are at least one of the causes of all the yobbism here.

That all said, I do agree that it seems he was beating them for getting stuff wrong, which I do not agree with, misbehaving, yes.

I even put the point in bold so that you will hopefully be able to grasp it this time.

Maximum Triceratops · 27 May 2011 at 13:23

You ear was hanging off and you went to school the next day? you are hard, were did you go to School? Auschwitz?

Cuchulain · 27 May 2011 at 13:25

Let's just rewind back to page one, like I said, pick one, and if it's this one, at least try and get your stats. right.

Anominity said:
Entirely different thing, Zimbabwe, up until 2002 and the land reform act, had one of the best education systems in the world, better than a lot of Western / First World countries. Literacy rate in Zimbabwe was 99%, its dropping now, currently around 94%.

Theophany · 27 May 2011 at 13:26

Seemed like he was slapping them for doing their homework, as much as NOT doing their homework to me. Bad example of corporal punishment.

On the whole, I think there are kids who would benefit from a sound thrashing for the way that they behave. These days neither parents nor teachers are really disciplinarians and as a result respect and moral standards are in decline.

Pretty sure the kids I went to school who ended up in prison for assaults, drug peddling, theft etc would have been a lot less likely to end up in HM remand had they been given a damn fine beating from either their parents or teachers.

I don't know if corporal punishment is legal in Egypt; if it isn't then this guy's actions are morally reprehensible as he is in defiance of the law. If it were my (hypothetical) child, I would be sorely tempted to return the favour with a blunt instrument a little more substantial than a ruler. That being said, even if corporal punishment IS legal in Egypt, his method of systematic beatings is atrocious. You can't line up kids and thrash them like that, you need to do it properly.

Anominity · 27 May 2011 at 13:38

Cuchulain said:
and look how ****** Zimbabwe is!

You rewind, this was your first post, you tell me how that has anything to do with anything in this discussion.

fyi, that post you quoted of mine is still correct, I clearly stated that it was 99% before the land reform act.

Wizzfizz · 27 May 2011 at 13:41

franco_22 said:
When I was in Primary school we'd get slapped in the face and one time the teacher almost took my ear off, literally half of it was hanging of my head! The next day she went to do it again but noticed the bandage so just slapped me in the face instead!!

Kids have it way too easier now a days, that's why they are so misbehaved.

BS

Nerusy · 27 May 2011 at 13:44

^ +1

God bless exaggerate memories of our youth, I remember I saved the Earth from Mars invasion and still went to school the next day...I was exhausted!

Scougar · 27 May 2011 at 13:45

Slightly confused. Seems to show him hitting them regardless. He certainly didn't take long enough to ACTUALLY mark anything properly. Disgusting behaviour.

I have no real quarm with corporal punishment used in the right way (For bad behaviour, when other 'softer' methods are not right to use or haven't worked). It should only be used very infrequently else you just get used to it, and this is probably what happened. But video'ing it like this and laughing is clearly shows the abuse of power.

The worst thing. All the kids seem to be used to the process! Poor kids.

In Cyprus, if you punish a kid under about 7 year's old, the Cypriuts (soz, spelling!) give you dirty looks as they don't like hitting under that rough age.

BTW.. I remember being punished by having a table picked up, and pushed against a wall with it. I wouldn't mind but it wasn't actually anything 'I' did lol.

Greenlizard0 · 27 May 2011 at 13:58

Good. We should bring it back in this country. I bet that lad doesn't turn out to be scrote now eh?

Cuchulain · 27 May 2011 at 14:01

Anominity said:
You rewind, this was your first post, you tell me how that has anything to do with anything in this discussion.

fyi, that post you quoted of mine is still correct, I clearly stated that it was 99% before the land reform act.

And where did you pull this figure from? The debate here is about the pros/cons of corporal punishment so at least I'm staying on track rather than trying to defend some AIDS riddled, third-world dictatorship.

Anominity · 27 May 2011 at 14:02

Cuchulain said:
And where did you pull this figure from? The debate here is about the pros/cons of corporal punishment so at least I'm staying on track rather than trying to defend some AIDS riddled, third-world dictatorship.

Exactly, so stop bringing it up, I already showed you my first post twice, now stfu about it.

thedoc46 · 27 May 2011 at 16:17

I got worse when i was a nipper. Actually I remember the headmaster pulling down my shorts and spanking me on the bottom as punishment.. That was when I was in primary school, so i was younger than 9. Then in high school getting the cane on more than one occasion. Still can remember the sting !

Truthfully though, if i saw someone punishing my kids like that, being so young!, something inside me would just go ping ! and I'd lose it and nut him down to the ground.

ShortWarning · 27 May 2011 at 16:32

I totally agree with cp. I was a little ***t in school and believe I could have done a lot better, grades wise, with the odd slap. When I say I was a ***t, it was nothing compared to kids nowadays but then, I was punished appropriately at home.

I don't believe teachers should have a cane by their desk so they can hit pupils willy nilly. There should be a paper trail that has to be followed before it happens but parents should not get a say in it.

I went out with a girl who had a child. She was a terror (4 years old). Would never behave, used to hit other pupils and teachers at school. She would do whatever she wanted and nothing else. Now, the Mum tried every "new age" technique she could. 95% of it was through positive reinforcement. Guess what, none of it worked. I suggested giving her a swift slap on the bum if she really misbehaved but she would not do this.

The problem is, you can't really discipline your children nowadays. Sending your child to their room with no dinner for the rest of the night, smacking their bums* if they really misbehave. Basically all the things which worked for my generation are considered "inhuman".

* By this, I don't mean savagely beating your kid till they have deep purple bruises, just a few stingers.

Edit - I haven't actually commented on the video. This doesn't look like CP to me. It just looks like smacking kids for the fun of it. I don't agree with this at all and some of it is way too harsh. This is why procedure should have to be followed.

Lord-Jaffa · 27 May 2011 at 16:32

I can't help but think that if the class disruptors when I was at school had been punished this way, I would have received a better education (esp since I was one of the disruptors!)

.Lethal · 27 May 2011 at 17:33

mrbios said:
While i don't agree with his method, i agree with his statement.

Care to elaborate on that? Your comment reaks of hypocrisy.

mrbios said:
Like i say, his method is very wrong and he should be punished for it, but the statement that "corporal punishment is the best means of diciplin" i agree with. I work in a school that takes in the dreggs of other schools, kids who have been kicked out of other schools because they've been too bad and need more controlling, and i can't help but think if these kids had a good hiding once in a while when they were younger that they might not have ended up walking around like they own the place and causing havoc.

Whilst I may agree regarding some of the attitudes in British schools regarding a certain culture of teenages, I wouldn't condone hitting any child in school, whether one deserves a smack or not.

You're paid to teach, not instill discipline through physical nature.

If you're to hit a teenager then where does the line stop? I'm pretty sure if this was to become the norm in the UK you would have many parents looking for you. Especially by hitting innocent children that are defenseless. You can also bet in the real world there would be people taking advantage of it just like you see in this video.

Lord-Jaffa said:
I can't help but think that if the class disruptors when I was at school had been punished this way, I would have received a better education (esp since I was one of the disruptors!)

I'm sure many will agree, including myself. But the world isn't perfect.

Or in this regard, not all of us can afford private education.

VaderDSL · 27 May 2011 at 17:37

Fear of physical punishment was all the punishment needed when I was in primary school.

Psychological terror is the way forward!