What is a "Strong engine"

[D4VE]

Becuase you paid £300 for a rot box, whereas a little looking around would have you got a much better example. Where you could continue to maintain a well look after car.

With experience you will realise very few repairs get even close to the quality of a OEM factory finish.

Most people don't look after cars, throwing them in for a random service every so often. Cars that have a good reliability history even with this in mind are the strong ones. The fact you have highlighted a certain marque need a certain amount of TLC beyond manufacturer service guidelines is testament to the fact they are not cars that should really appearing in such a titled thread. The fact the commoner in the street away from the enthuasist scene is likely to raise the issue of Rovers and HG failure is reason to not get so passionate about the brand which rather than verging on reasoned preferance edges on blanted rose tinted glasses.

Its very much like mid 90 Nintendo V's Sega playground debates.

To be fair, Andy is responding to my original post which says they arent strong engines. To which he did agree.

 

[Jonnycoupe]

What side of whose bed did you get up out of this morning? You seem to be taking agw's appreciation of Rovers a little hard today

I can appreciate them just as much as agw's. I have had more Rover for a longer periods of time driven in a more varied manner. However the crunch is that i have own and ran other cars and fortunatley able to avoid the blinkered posting that seem to be afflicating him. I can understand being passionate about a brand, particularly the 'underdog' aspect of a Rover, but seeing comments repeatedly singing praises of Rovers is getting to the point of obsessive.

 

[SgtTupac]

If ya wanna talk about a "strong" engine on mileage purpose in a car id go with an astra my dad bought for a bit. 1.4 Petrol. 240k miles Ran perfect and never leaked oil or coolant. WHY anyone would do that mileage in an Astra ill never know. But still, very good. At work we have quite a few trucks which come in and are on close to a million k's

 

[agw_01]

Becuase you paid £300 for a rot box, whereas a little looking around would have you got a much better example. Where you could continue to maintain a well look after car.

Oh ok, so without even seeing my car, you're going to call it a rot box? If you took the side spats off most Rovers' that had them fitted, I guarantee you'd see sills in a similar state to mine. I've seen quite a few on RT with exactly the same problem... just mine wasn't treated in time and got a lot worse with it starting to lead up the inside of the arch.

True, I could have found a much better example and I wish I had, but what's done is done. I am actually keeping my eyes open in case something else pops up.

Its very much like mid 90 Nintendo V's Sega playground debates.

Speaking of playground debates... you're the one turning an ordinary discussion into something you'd find in the playground, but then you do it everytime I happen to post something that you don't agree with.

I can understand being passionate about a brand, particularly the 'underdog' aspect of a Rover, but seeing comments repeatedly singing praises of Rovers is getting to the point of obsessive.

Ok, that's fair enough and you're more than welcome to your opinion of me... but ask anyone of my friends. They mention 'Rover' more times in a sentence than I will in a whole paragraph.

Oh, and incase you hadn't noticed, we're on the interweb. If you don't like what's said, don't take any notice of it. No point getting worked up about it.

 

[Jonnycoupe]

But you posted about the rust in the sill which was classes as structural and Ive seen pictures of your car with all the filler and Ive seen your car pre filler with all the rust on it.

I understand you want a project etc. and this is reflected in the purchase price. However with the price of a good 220 Turbo Coupe or whatnot there is not much reason to get such a project and hence I #imagine# cost was the primary reason you went for a Gsi NA.

The point about playgorund debates is that you argue the one is better than the other simply becuase its the one you own, rather than being fully aware of the market and experiences with a variety of brands and models.
At this point I was hoping to have just made you step back and think just how much you harp the Rover cord. However will comments on the rustyness of a particular model being in someway a issue with many R8's juist becuase you have seen them on a 'interweb' forum then my blinkered comment stands fast. It seems this 'web' you speak of is your circle of friend mainly filled with people you have met on the net with Rovers. No one of typical interest in cars use the word Rovers on a Daily bases in sentences.

 

[agw_01]

Now you've really lost me.

Just what are you insinuating?

That my 'friends' that I spoke about in my previous post consist of people on a Rover forum?

No one of typical interest in cars use the word Rovers on a Daily bases in sentences.

Oh, something else that got my attention.

So I have to like the same cars as everyone else then? I had a big thing with Scoobs' when I was in high school, I love 200SX's but being a Rover owner (oh no, I said it again ) what's so wrong about me expressing an interest?

 

[silversurfer]

High insurance costs ?

 

[djbenjo]

Off topic tbh, take your arguments to MSN.

 

[Mickey_D]

I'd have to say Chevy (GMC) small block V-8's are pretty strong engines. Mine's got 330,000 miles on it and the only things not original under the bonnet are the carb and starter. Tranny I can't say the same thing about. And the previous owner thought servicing involved putting petrol in it.

Then comes my little Turtle. 196,000 miles and it is ALL original. And the woman who owned it before me thought that automotive maintenance involved changing the oil when someone mentioned it was too thick to pull the dipstick out. And that was it. I don't think the car had EVER been washed until I bought it, the rear brakes are original (getting new ones in, just waiting on the local hick parts store getting them shipped), the clutch is original (she did all highway miles, so no shifting involved), the water pump, fuel pump, alternator, carby, etc are what it came off the assembly line with.

Both of them will start no problem in temps approaching or exceeding 40*C, and only strain to start in -40*C temps because the newest battery between them is 5 years old.

Two opposite ends of the spectrum. You've got a fat, lazy, underpowered american V-8 and a high strung, overworked Japanese econobox.

 

[Enfield]

I'd say the engine from my 205 1.4 (TU3S) was pretty damn strong!

Managed to get it into 1st gear at 58mph without it bending any valves, just lots of smoke!

 

[Mr_White]

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Here's a man who knows what a truely strong engine is all about.

I'd like to see any engine mentioned so far match up to all the abuse you could give a proper american engine with little maintenance, and still be working fine over 300,000 miles.

 

[silversurfer]

Not sure if it was mentioned allready but theres a rover 800 with similar milage on this forum. No idea how it was maintained though.

On the the other hand theres tiny little civic engines that have done a million miles.


http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&ct...sEGTTj2ctcofPPqo=&sig2=IDdS5yFrmBrynyIMlPgAug

 

[agw_01]

Not sure if it was mentioned allready but theres a rover 800 with similar milage on this forum. No idea how it was maintained though.

That's my dads. It was a motorway muncher and has FRSH.

Better not say too much about it though. Don't want the forum babies to start crying.

 

[Mickey_D]

Here's a man who knows what a truely strong engine is all about.

I'd like to see any engine mentioned so far match up to all the abuse you could give a proper american engine with little maintenance, and still be working fine over 300,000 miles.

Well, you DID say ANY engine mentioned so far, but JRS's Olds has much the same engine as my truck!!

Oh, and the king of high mileage (read strong) engines for me has GOT to be the Toyota 18R/20R/22R. The one I had in my 79 Toyota truck had 705,000 miles on it and the rocker cover had NEVER been off it. Certified by Toyota that the gasket sealant on it was only available from the factory, and it was still there. And I used to beat that thing senseless every time I got behind the wheel. "Drive it like you stole it" was mild in comparison. I either had the rear tyres spinning faster than the front or had all four locked if I was on a street. If I was offroad (yes, it was a 2WD) I generally had at least two tyres OFF the ground more often than I had all four on.....

And as far as I know, it's STILL on the road today. A quick check of the number plate shows the registration being current.

 

[Jonnycoupe]

Off topic tbh, take your arguments to MSN.

I dont use MSN....

It was a discussion on engines, I was simply enquiring how he can pick out a specific engine, funnily enough the one he has now (it was the K series he sung praises about WHEN he owned it), yet hes had no other models to run on a daily basis. Its pure conjecture biased by ownership.

What would an 'argument' on a silly social chat system achieve?

 

[Jonnycoupe]

Better not say too much about it though. Don't want the forum babies to start crying.

Would you be qualified to say anything unbiast about it though as a Rover fanboy and never having another Marque? Crying? Lets not go too far here with silly little comments.

That is the whole point Im making here and im sure im just a single voice but saying what many people think. Flame away.

 

[agw_01]

how he can pick out a specific engine, funnily enough the one he has now (it was the K series he sung praises about WHEN he owned it)

Because I've owned these cars and can comment on my ownership experience. I don't claim to be an expert when it comes to cars, but surely singing praises about cars that I've actually owned isn't a bad thing?

You could say the same thing about Fox for praising Mondeo's (he used to get similar amounts of stick on here) or other people about other cars... but he was talking from experience of owning that car.

im sure im just a single voice but saying what many people think

So? Is that supposed to bother me? Why would I let what people on the internet think hurt my feelings? You don't know me at all, and I'm sure if you did get to know me (or even spoke to me) you'd realise that I don't talk about Rovers' in every sentence.

In fact... I don't EVER talk about Rovers' off the forums unless someone I'm with brings it up first.

 

[panthro]

If you want "strong" I have a 911 & Porsche World Magazine at home somewhere featuring a 944 Turbo that did 360,000 miles before it needed a rebuild. No big replacements such as turbo, manifold, etc. To me, thats a strong engine.

 

[burns]

Just remembered my housemates 205 diesel thing. NA diesel, but it's done over 400k miles and still going strong. No history though so it could be on it's 8th engine by now for all we know. If not that's pretty damn good.

 

[merlin]

Re: the Rover debate - I think the point is that generally they are crap cars with generally crap engines.

I dont think anyone can argue with that.

Personally I think the only decent stuff they ever pushed out the doors were cars with japanese or german influence.

Re ownership bias, well it's always going to be an issue, not only with Rover owners (although I do think that sometimes they are the greatest deluded of the bunch) but with pretty much any other brand too. Just something you have to quietly acknowledge, but publicly disregard.