I think this perfectly demonstrates the point that it is all relative to your own experience. I don't think many people would get in an Evo X and describe it as anything other than a very fast car.
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I think this perfectly demonstrates the point that it is all relative to your own experience. I don't think many people would get in an Evo X and describe it as anything other than a very fast car.
not sure I agree, the mustang was quick in areas the evo would be FAST
I guess it comes down to the 'twisties' though... god did I just say that
Yeah but were not talking about twisties, but yes the EVO can change direction faster than the Mustang and can be driven a lot more aggressively and got on the power earlier compared to the Mustang.
But sticking to what the thread is about which is 0-60 and fast cars, if one used 0-60 to judge cars they would believe the EVO is the faster car, wheras the Mustang would make it look like its going backwards above 80mph.
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Sub 10second 0-60mph is fast for a road car. Certainly fast enough to get you into and out of trouble in every day driving which is always a good starting point for a car if you like a little bit of whoosh if nothing else.
It's not fast compared sub 8second 0-60 cars but as has been shown in various drag race vids you can peruse, a whole second difference over the quarter mile is a significant lead/loss so fast on the road is only really comparable to the majority of other cars on the road.
I won't bother "having fun" with another car that I know is significantly faster as it's a foregone conclusion. Plenty of youngsters out there who seem to believe they can squeeze an extra 100bhp out of their boxes by gritting their teeth and leaning forwards when "racing".
I think it's been mentioned in other threads a few times that it's the 30-50, 20-40, 50-70 etc times that are when a fast car comes into it's own as there ain't much to beat dropping it a cog and flooring it for an overtake.
So it's all down to where you need/want the "fast" bit of having a fast car to come from.
Hell when I was a teen, fast was sub 10 seconds for an affordable car. We could only dream of 8 second 0-60's without a shedload of mods so I rode motorbikes instead and was truly fast
It's not fast compared sub 8second 0-60 cars but as has been shown in various drag race vids you can peruse, a whole second difference over the quarter mile is a significant lead/loss so fast on the road is only really comparable to the majority of other cars on the road.
I won't bother "having fun" with another car that I know is significantly faster as it's a foregone conclusion. Plenty of youngsters out there who seem to believe they can squeeze an extra 100bhp out of their boxes by gritting their teeth and leaning forwards when "racing".
I think it's been mentioned in other threads a few times that it's the 30-50, 20-40, 50-70 etc times that are when a fast car comes into it's own as there ain't much to beat dropping it a cog and flooring it for an overtake.
So it's all down to where you need/want the "fast" bit of having a fast car to come from.
Hell when I was a teen, fast was sub 10 seconds for an affordable car. We could only dream of 8 second 0-60's without a shedload of mods so I rode motorbikes instead and was truly fast
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I think the people refer to 0-60 times is purely down to the fact that they are pretty much the only standardised figure put out by manufacturers to set a benchmark.
I agree entirely with what Gibbo is saying in that the Evo gets a false 0-60 time if that makes sense? Purely by the traction it has due to its all wheel drive setup. The mustang however had what 500ish bhp once modded? Which i would imagine is considerbly more than the Evo however the mustang cant put the power down as easily of the line. The mustang however would pull relentlessly through every gear at any rpm unlike the evo that needs it turbo to spool and is infact heavily reliant on the turbo.
There are so many factors that make a car quick. As already said some are quick 0-60 but poor 70 - 100. Some diesel monsters are silly quick 70 -100 but cant get a 60 time below 8 seconds to save their life.
I agree entirely with what Gibbo is saying in that the Evo gets a false 0-60 time if that makes sense? Purely by the traction it has due to its all wheel drive setup. The mustang however had what 500ish bhp once modded? Which i would imagine is considerbly more than the Evo however the mustang cant put the power down as easily of the line. The mustang however would pull relentlessly through every gear at any rpm unlike the evo that needs it turbo to spool and is infact heavily reliant on the turbo.
There are so many factors that make a car quick. As already said some are quick 0-60 but poor 70 - 100. Some diesel monsters are silly quick 70 -100 but cant get a 60 time below 8 seconds to save their life.
To me what I find is fast is a car that when you bury the throttle at 60mph it nails you in the seat and before you know it your well beyond 100mph and the acceleration shows no sign of dying off until at least past 150-160mph, now to me thats quick.
So many cars hit 60mph fast and then just run out of power. As I hardly ever bury the throttle in a car from standstill 0-60mph is of little important to me, I look at 0-100mph times, tells a far truer picture and more ideal times are 30-70, 60-100mph, 60-130mph etc. through the gears.
So many cars hit 60mph fast and then just run out of power. As I hardly ever bury the throttle in a car from standstill 0-60mph is of little important to me, I look at 0-100mph times, tells a far truer picture and more ideal times are 30-70, 60-100mph, 60-130mph etc. through the gears.
its not
but its a nice easy available to find yard stick
It isnt as easy to grab 30-70 times off the internet for examples. As an example, autocar do record this figure in their proper road tests, but half of them are missing off the website, and autoexpress, evo only ocassionaly quote them. Its usually top speed and 0-60 which is all that the manufacturer gives them to compare.
You hardly ever bury the throttle from 0-60 (I agree), but you often do it from 60 to 160?
I think the ability to keep pulling past 120-130mph isn't really that important, there are very few opportunities for most people to hit those speeds safely (in both real safety and law terms) on public roads.
Mustang was a fair ammount quicker
not only that, but 120 - 150 times is only an indication of top end power.
not only that, but 120 - 150 times is only an indication of top end power.
Maybe not all the way to 160, but certainly from 60mph quite often (we can allow a little artistic license!!) So... every time you overtake, every time you're stuck behind someone on the motorway and they move over... I'd say I accelerate from 60+, more than I do from 0-60.
Yes 60-100 is very relevant, maybe even to 120.
But 60-160 is almost completely irrelevant.
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It's still relevant... I'd say there's a pretty strong correlation between cars that are pulling well in 6th at 150MPH and those that are pulling well in 4th at 100MPH!
One of the things I love about the M5 is how even in 6th if you put your foot to the floor at 60MPH it'll pull and pull pretty quickly into silly speeds. Of course if you really need it then there's 5th or 4th - but often times just leaving it in 6th is plenty.
Not sure I agree.
The ST pulls well to 100*, but after that it does start to tail off a little. Past 120 it isn't really that fast at all.
*I know it pulls well, because from a 40-50MPH rolling start, my friend in his E46 M3 failed to pass me until 90-100MPH. But as you'd expect, the M3 passed me like I was barely moving once we hit 90-100.
The ST pulls well to 100*, but after that it does start to tail off a little. Past 120 it isn't really that fast at all.
*I know it pulls well, because from a 40-50MPH rolling start, my friend in his E46 M3 failed to pass me until 90-100MPH. But as you'd expect, the M3 passed me like I was barely moving once we hit 90-100.
).My Z3 is pretty quick. 6s to 62 (yeah whatever) and once rolling it pulls away with ease from most things on the road.
It really doesn't take much time or effort to get to 120 indicated, I've got there without using full throttle on a relatively busy motorway.
And there's another 35 miles to go before it runs out of gears, so for me, that's pretty quick
It really doesn't take much time or effort to get to 120 indicated, I've got there without using full throttle on a relatively busy motorway.
And there's another 35 miles to go before it runs out of gears, so for me, that's pretty quick