What is it with the complete lack of internal security?

weringo said:
Although you can create seperate accounts and password them, it would just be much easier if you can set passwords to certain files a folders and you then don't need to worry about logging off/switching user when leaving your PC.

Another thing is when you make files on a user account private I don't believe you can access them from accross a network, which is just inconvenient.
Whats to stop someone else setting passwords on parent folders that would lock you out from your passworded folders.

Anyway there are 3rd part apps to do just that.
 
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weringo said:
Although you can create seperate accounts and password them, it would just be much easier if you can set passwords to certain files a folders and you then don't need to worry about logging off/switching user when leaving your PC.

Another thing is when you make files on a user account private I don't believe you can access them from accross a network, which is just inconvenient.

Being able to password specific folders is just asking for trouble, think it through for a minute or two...

PC left on, little bro/sis comes in, adds a password for 'My Documents' with random alpha numeric = ooops, you no longer have access to any files in 'My Documents'. Taken to it's highest level you'd need to password the root directory, in other words pretty much the C: drive and at that point you may as well bite the bullet and password your user account, still want the ability to password individual folders? I sure don't.
 
Dano said:
Being able to password specific folders is just asking for trouble, think it through for a minute or two...

PC left on, little bro/sis comes in, adds a password for 'My Documents' with random alpha numeric = ooops, you no longer have access to any files in 'My Documents'. Taken to it's highest level you'd need to password the root directory, in other words pretty much the C: drive and at that point you may as well bite the bullet and password your user account, still want the ability to password individual folders? I sure don't.
Ok then new idea: have a password which you have to enter when you want to create a password for a certain folder.
 
Dano said:
The fact that it would take you about 20 seconds to create another user account and why you fail to see this as a reasonable option that already exists is what I'm having issues with, don't know about anybody else...

No because I want them to have access to most of my files and applications. It's too much of a hassle. I still don't understand why everyone has been so aggressive towards me for simply wondering why Microsoft won't let you password folders to make their contents more secure.

My PC has hundreds of files on it which other members of the family need access to. Namely my mum who is doing a degree in art and my computer has all her photographs. My brothers also use it to play games when I'm not there. I have absolutely no problem with people using my PC, but there are certain files I wish to keep secure. I don't really see the need for all these passwords as it becomes a pain when you use your computer on a daily basis, and the only thing you don't want people to have access to is one folder!
 
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Tommy B said:
No because I want them to have access to most of my files and applications. It's too much of a hassle. I still don't understand why everyone has been so aggressive towards me for simply wondering why Microsoft won't let you password folders to make their contents more secure.
Any we have given you loads of scenarios to why it could be a very bad idea.
 
Final8y said:
not on the same account if the password was set ona subfolder, only subsequent folders would be locked .

Windows wouldn't allow nesting of password protected folders. ;)

All m$ need to do is allow people to create folders with passwords and not allow nesting of password protected folders. All problems solved.
 
Tommy B said:
simply wondering why Microsoft won't let you password folders to make their contents more secure.

I'm pretty sure neither OS X no Linux have this functionaliy inbuilt into the OS. You would think if it's that much in demand and a good idea that one of them would.
 
Final8y said:
Any we have given you loads of scenarios to why it could be a very bad idea.

Except the one flaw. Obviously you would need to set an admin password and to issue a password onto any folder you would first need to type this in. I seriously doubt Microsoft wouldn't have such a scheme to prevent anyone from setting passwords on folders.
 
Tommy B said:
Except the one flaw. Obviously you would need to set an admin password and to issue a password onto any folder you would first need to type this in. I seriously doubt Microsoft wouldn't have such a scheme to prevent anyone from setting passwords on folders.
Meaning only you can have private files/folders & no one else who's using your comp.
Multi account sound like a good idea.
 
Apart from cases where multiple accounts aren't ideal as outlined in the example above???

I don't completely ban people from going in my bedroom by having a lock on the door, but perhaps I like to put my wallet and bank statements in a safe.

It's the same thing yet some people just don't seem to understand.
 
seriously, what is wrong with you people? you logon to online banking to check your balance/do a transaction. do you leave yourself logged in when you're finished. no you don't. same thing applies with your OS..... ;)

maybe ocuk should password protect every thread on here. you don't want someone browsing while logged on with your account... :p
 
weringo said:
I really can't believe so many people think it would be a "bad" idea

It's all a matter of authentication and authorisation. When you log in (yes, even on a machine where "you" are the sole user and the system is set in to log you in automatically you are essentially saying to the system "I am me, these are my credentials, give me access". Why would you then require these same credentials to be asked for for information your account is authorised to access anyway? If security is an issue then consider it this way, no matter what steps you take to protect confidential data, if someone has physical access it should be considered that they can gain access to it, even if that data is encrypted. If the OP is really that concerned he has 2 fairly obvious and inexpensive solutions- step 1 is set up a separate non-admin account for other people to play around with. They will still be able to run the vast majority of apps and with functionality such as fast user switching there really is no excuse not to. Secondly if it's *that* important i.e. we're talking financial/ business records rather than worrying about your parent's finding your goatpr0n collection get a pen-drive/ external disk and store those files on that.
 
Tommy B said:
Apart from cases where multiple accounts aren't ideal as outlined in the example above???

I don't completely ban people from going in my bedroom by having a lock on the door, but perhaps I like to put my wallet and bank statements in a safe.

It's the same thing yet some people just don't seem to understand.

Whats wrong with just one guests account.
And what M0KUJ1N said.
 
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marc2003 said:
seriously, what is wrong with you people? you logon to online banking to check your balance/do a transaction. do you leave yourself logged in when you're finished. no you don't. same thing applies with your OS..... ;)

maybe ocuk should password protect every thread on here. you don't want someone browsing while logged on with your account... :p
Why would you stay logged on to your bank account? It only serves one/a few purposes, once you're done with it you close it. Once you leave your PC your likely to return to it very soon and probably don't wan't to deal with the log on/log off process.
 
weringo said:
Why would you stay logged on to your bank account? It only serves one/a few purposes, once you're done with it you close it. Once you leave your PC your likely to return to it very soon and probably don't wan't to deal with the log on/log off process.

i give up. :D you win. :(
 
Tommy B said:
No because I want them to have access to most of my files and applications. It's too much of a hassle. I still don't understand why everyone has been so aggressive towards me for simply wondering why Microsoft won't let you password folders to make their contents more secure.

My PC has hundreds of files on it which other members of the family need access to. Namely my mum who is doing a degree in art and my computer has all her photographs. My brothers also use it to play games when I'm not there. I have absolutely no problem with people using my PC, but there are certain files I wish to keep secure. I don't really see the need for all these passwords as it becomes a pain when you use your computer on a daily basis, and the only thing you don't want people to have access to is one folder!

Unless you have been extremely messy in where you store your files then it's easy to use shared folders to let other people have access to the stuff you want them to. As for programs the majority of programs will install for all users or even better ask you about it.

You have been given various reasons as to why your wish is a bad idea, none of which you have taken on board.

I'm sorry that you feel I'm being agressive as I'm not, the facility to achieve what you wish is available in XP, if you choose to ignore it for what appears to be no reason other than being bloody minded about it then I'm done here and will waste no further time trying to educate you.

As a final note, why not get yourself a USB data storage device and store your 'personal' files on that, you can then remove it when you wish leaving others with no access whatsoever to your files. You can even get them which require thumbprint confirmation for access.
 
Energize said:
It would be far more secure as long as it used encryption, god I can't see it possibly being less secure.
NTFS security with or without encryption is more secure than most rival file systems.
 
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