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What is taking AMD so long?

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[I'm blowing off steam]

nVidia are screaming ahead releasing its new cards, 670 and 690 now all but on the shelves at good prices with matching or better performance, next is the 660....

Meanwhile AMD have had there 79## and the frankly rubbish 77## out for 4 months, the 78## has been out for 2 or 3 months and yet still no indication when we will get the 7990 and the 7790.

I'm getting very impatient at there inability to put something (just good enough for what i want) on the shelves at those (just good enough prices)

At this rate its a toss up between the 6870 and the GTX 560/ti as there is nothing in that bracket with new tech from AMD and nVidia will no doubt get there first at the rate there going.

Sort it out AMD for crying out loud!

/rant
 
erm... not usually one to pick AMD' side... but NV have 2 cards out (3rd tomorrow),all with the same underlying GPU

AMD have 5 (6?) cards out with completely different cores based on their GCN architecture but somehow AMD are lagging?

what a weird thread

surely the 7850 is the card closest to what you want? that is around £150-190 depending on model, which is what the 560ti was for an awfully long time and isn't a massive amount cheaper now
 
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The 7970 is currently better value than the 680

I suspect tomorrow that we will see 670 for around £340 so the 7950 will be reasonable competition at £299

I don't see AMD's problem to be honest, apart from with their crossfire drivers but that accounts for a fraction of sales I guess so not a major issue for them.
 
7850 is £200 unless you go for the OC own brand, no disrespect but i'm not sure i would trust it as i will be overclocking.

The one down from that (some £100 cheaper) is pretty much the same performance as my 5770.

There is nothing in the £150'ish bracket.
 
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7850 is £200 unless you go for the OC own brand, no disrespect but i'm not sure i would trust it as i will be overclocking.

The one down from that (some £100 cheaper) is pretty much the same performance as my 5770.

There is nothing in the £150'ish bracket.
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I don't think Nvidia has anything below even £300 in their new 6** series, so I don't know why you're complaining at AMD specifically.

That's the reason why AMD have that pricing. There is no competition.
 
humbug said:
[I'm blowing off steam]

nVidia are screaming ahead releasing its new cards, 670 and 690 now all but on the shelves at good prices with matching or better performance, next is the 660....

Meanwhile AMD have had there 79## and the frankly rubbish 77## out for 4 months, the 78## has been out for 2 or 3 months and yet still no indication when we will get the 7990 and the 7790.

I'm getting very impatient at there inability to put something (just good enough for what i want) on the shelves at those (just good enough prices)

At this rate its a toss up between the 6870 and the GTX 560/ti as there is nothing in that bracket with new tech from AMD and nVidia will no doubt get there first at the rate there going.

Sort it out AMD for crying out loud!

/rant
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I read somewhere that the 7990 will be shown at some exhibition in Tapei early June and we are to expect official release in late June. I hope this is right.
 
I also read while sifting through various 670 articles that the 660(Ti?) isn't penned in for release until sometime in September. As it stands AMD have their fingers in more pies than Nvidia as they have pretty much all the bases covered.
 
This is not about AMD vs nVidia, just as with Intel vs AMD i don't care as long as it does what i want for the money.

In that AMD just aren't doing it any more, the 7790 if it ever gets here? its likely to be a 7770 in every way other than a 265Bit memory bus just like the 6790 was giving it 10% and thus still not much on what i have,- leaving an enormus gap in performance and price to the next card.

Looks like i will be filling that gap with a GTX 560/ti or a GTX 660 if it gets here sooner rather than later.
 
humbug said:
This is not about AMD vs nVidia, just as with Intel vs AMD i don't care as long as it does what i want for the money.

In that AMD just aren't doing it any more, the 7790 if it ever gets here? its likely to be a 7770 in every way other than a 265Bit memory bus just like the 6790 was giving it 10% and thus still not much on what i have,- leaving an enormus gap in performance and price to the next card.

Looks like i will be filling that gap with a GTX 560/ti or a GTX 660 if it gets here sooner rather than later.
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The cheapest 560ti I could find was £159.99 (OcUK card)

The cheapest 7850 I could find was £184.98 (saphire card)

For £24.99 difference, the 7850 stomps on the 560ti and has lots of room to OC. Also the 7850 has 2GB of VRAM (which is need for full specs in games like BF3).

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/547?vs=549 And remember the 7850 also clocks well (take a look at the how to OC a 7850 thread).

I am not sure what your point is but to me the choice is a no brainer.
 
humbug said:
next is the 660....
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You'll be waiting a while for that one and if Nvidia's current pricing structure for single GPU cards are anything to go by then it will be in the £200 range. As pgi947 has mentioned above we're currently looking at the end of summer for a release and Gibbo has confirmed as much in another thread a while back.

If you want something in the £150 range then that will be the 650. Unless they release the 650 before the 660 then it's going to be an even longer wait.

However, if their 670 causes AMD to reduce prices on their 79xx range then keep your fingers crossed it filters down to the 78xx range and gets the 7850 into your magic £150 window.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/549?vs=538

That shows a nice performance jump between your card and a 7850 at stock clocks.
 
if your mentioning the 560ti and moaninfg about the 7850 surely the 6850 is best for you right now ... the560ti isnt that much ahead of it ( if anything ). and 6850its miles cheaper at £100
 
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There is a mammoth card for sale for £150, OP.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=gx-299-sp&groupid=701&catid=56&subcat=1752

dual bios and wide reports of it unlocking to 6970 at the flick of a switch.

what you moaning at? go get it!
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ah... hello, that's just come through tonight in my email, has someone in the pricing department been reading this thread? :d

dam it that is a good deal, i was not expecting something like that to come along, its £30 off... can't do it until the end of the month now, that will teach me for not hanging on to it when its there.

therealdeal said:
this could be what you are after.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/768-shader-pitcairn-review,3196.html
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Yes, that is exactly the sort of thing i was talking about, hopefully AMD will see the light and make that the 7790 or 7830... whatever... do it for £150 AMD you would do well at that trust it! this is exactly what a lot of peapole are after.
 
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THe 7990 is likely delayed for one reason, to find out the shipping clocks on a 690gtx, and beat it.

the ONLY difference the 7970 looks not great in stock reviews is its massive overclocking headroom, overclocked you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference in real life(sure a few games are VERY pro one side).

The 7990 will use a lot of power, but as with the 7990, its an entirely different class of GPU to the 680gtx, its a gpgpu monster while the 680gtx can barely do gpgpu at all. Which is PART of the VERY MINOR real world power difference.

I fully expect the 7990 to carry a silly TDP but use far less in games. The only real question is, did Nvidia taking so long leave them time to do a respin or bring out a card closer in size to the 7970 core, but closer in design to the 7870, IE a bigger gaming only core.

If AMD made a 330mm2 non gpgpu part it would spank the 680gtx all over, the 7870 IS more efficient, in power and performance per mm2, its just too small/wrong market segment.

What will AMD, no idea, if they manage a respin for lower power, or a new core , in this time frame is certainly possible(its been around 7 months since the 7970 hit production). If not I think we'll certainly see a more Nvidia gameplan for AMD with the HD8000 cards, go a bit bigger with the GPGPU, and MUCH bigger with their gaming only part(ie from the 7870's size to around 320-360mm2 and the gpgpu part probably moving up , maybe beyond 400mm2).
 
To be fair to AMD the 7970 is half a year old now and still able to compete and even beat Nvidia's just launched flagship GPU's while being cheaper.
 
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