What is the Point of Veganism?

Kosmiche · 10 Jul 2012 at 16:53

I've been thinking to myself for a while, what is the point of being vegan.

Vegetarians I can get, they don't want animals to suffer blah blah.

Vegans - What? Won't eat cheese or milk. Sorry but show me this cheese animal that has died to give me this block of cheddar. Show me this animal that has milk as its blood that has had to die to provide me with this pint of milk.

What is the point? No animals die to give us dairy products.

I rest my case.

nydryl · 10 Jul 2012 at 16:54

They object to using animals in any way. I assume vegans also disagree with zoos, fur, etc.

starfighter · 10 Jul 2012 at 16:55

I agree with you, if anything it is kinda like giving them a job to do, the animals will be happier.

I suppose Vegans claim it is cruel.

Castiel · 10 Jul 2012 at 16:55

Personal choice. There really needs to be no other point.

Kosmiche · 10 Jul 2012 at 16:56

Its just so they can feel smug right?

spoffle · 10 Jul 2012 at 16:56

It's not about death, it's about the conditions with which they are kept in to produce milk. Cows are pumped with hormones to keep them lactating.

I still don't get both but Vegans are worse than vegetarians. It wouldn't surprise me if loads of them were shocked and horrified at the fact that animals eat other animals.

The worst though are people who call themselves vegetarians but that they also eat fish. These people come straight from hell.

CaptainRAVE · 10 Jul 2012 at 16:56

nydryl said:
They object to using animals in any way. I assume vegans also disagree with zoos, fur, etc.

Why would they disagree with zoos? The majority these days play a central role in animal conservation.

SuperBOB · 10 Jul 2012 at 16:56

Vegetarianism for ethical reasons is also hard to justify. Wide gaping holes in it. Though a half way house is better than no house at all I suppose.

janp · 10 Jul 2012 at 16:56

Plus, an animal can still suffer without being killed to eat. I'm sure there's some poorly kept milking cows somewhere.

spoffle · 10 Jul 2012 at 16:58

CaptainRAVE said:
Why would they disagree with zoos? The majority these days play a central role in animal conservation.

A large portion of these people are nut jobs, they will disagree with anything animal related.

Kosmiche · 10 Jul 2012 at 16:59

I can sort of get why they don't eat eggs, eggs = life.

The dairy products thing though I'll never understand.

spoffle · 10 Jul 2012 at 17:05

Eames said:
I can sort of get why they don't eat eggs, eggs = life.

The dairy products thing though I'll never understand.

Eggs don't equal life though as the eggs we buy and eat aren't fertilised. Hens will lay eggs regardless of if there's a cockerel for fertilisation.

"it's about the conditions with which they are kept in to produce milk. Cows are pumped with hormones to keep them lactating." :confused:

Cows in the milk industry (in general) aren't kept in "great" conditions, which is where the complaint comes from, add that to the fact that vegans object to humans taking advantage of an animal in any way.

Riding horses, using cows for manual labour (ploughs, that kinda thing).

SuperBOB · 10 Jul 2012 at 17:05

Eames said:
I can sort of get why they don't eat eggs, eggs = life.

The dairy products thing though I'll never understand.

You know male cows don't produce much milk - right?

CaptainRAVE · 10 Jul 2012 at 17:06

spoffle said:
A large portion of these people are nut jobs, they will disagree with anything animal related.

Hehe, good answer

shoes · 10 Jul 2012 at 17:07

My mrs is vegetarian and disagrees with eating meat on the grounds of animal cruelty.

She has leather handbags, shoes and agrees with fox hunting using horses and hounds.

Go figure.

JoeF1 · 10 Jul 2012 at 17:07

SuperBOB said:
You know male cows don't produce much milk - right?

That wasnt milk iv been drinking.... :eek:

spoffle · 10 Jul 2012 at 17:11

shoes said:
My mrs is vegetarian and disagrees with eating meat on the grounds of animal cruelty.

She has leather handbags, shoes and agrees with fox hunting using horses and hounds.

Go figure.

Sounds like she falls in to the category of nut job too then? She literally has no point at all if she wants to wear and use leather and agrees with fox hunting.

CaptainRAVE said:
Hehe, good answer

gjrc · 10 Jul 2012 at 17:14

shoes said:
My mrs is vegetarian and disagrees with eating meat on the grounds of animal cruelty.

She has leather handbags, shoes and agrees with fox hunting using horses and hounds.

Go figure.

madness!

shoes · 10 Jul 2012 at 17:15

spoffle said:
Sounds like she falls in to the category of nut job too then? She literally has no point at all if she wants to wear and use leather and agrees with fox hunting.

I tried explaining this to her, she was having none of it.

We're going to the newport show (yawn... gotta keep her happy!) to watch working animals being dressed up and worked for our entertainment. Not even to be productive, purely for entertainment.

She grew up in the country, as you can probably tell, and has no problem with badger shooting, fox hunting, and a number of other illegal animal death related practices. But she won't eat meat because it's cruel to animals.

Nut job? Definitely.

Thankfully she has no issue with me eating meat and has never expressed a problem with it, so I still eat my own weight in bacon and steak most weeks

spoffle · 10 Jul 2012 at 17:18

shoes said:
I tried explaining this to her, she was having none of it.

We're going to the newport show (yawn... gotta keep her happy!) to watch working animals being dressed up and worked for our entertainment. Not even to be productive, purely for entertainment.

She grew up in the country, as you can probably tell, and has no problem with badger shooting, fox hunting, and a number of other illegal animal death related practices. But she won't eat meat because it's cruel to animals.

Nut job? Definitely.

Thankfully she has no issue with me eating meat and has never expressed a problem with it, so I still eat my own weight in bacon and steak most weeks

That's a special kind of crazy. If you gon' advocate animal killing you may as well chow down.