What is the Point of Veganism?

[C.R.A.Z.Y]

I have cooked vegetarian sausages for a friend in lard before (for the lols and because I'm fun like that)

Glad I don't have friends like you
What a pathetic and childish thing to do

I'll quite happily admit I liked the taste of meat when I use to eat it, the difference is I'm no longer prepared to except the cruelty and suffering that goes hand-in-hand with cheap meat!

 

[Curio]

I have no time for vegans. What they should be doing is consuming vast amounts of dairy products from local farms that treat their animals well. If these farms thrive then (as well as supporting the local economy) it will soon become a thing of the past to keep cattle in small pens or pump them full of drugs. That's pretty much how I choose to do it - 80% of my meat and dairy comes from local farms that I know raise their animals very well. I've even been to a couple of them to see for myself.

 

[gropingmantis]

It was an experiment...that went very well I feel. She also now eats bacon and real sausages after I told her...and she calmed down.

Dunno what the problem was, she wasn't going to die and she was only vegetarian as she hadn't known anything else as both her parents were. Someone needed to educate her and now she is a stronger, healthier person.

I'll quite happily admit I liked the taste of meat when I use to eat it, the difference is I'm no longer prepared to except the cruelty and suffering that goes hand-in-hand with cheap meat!

So you eat organic, well reared meat then?

 

[Tefal]

I've been thinking to myself for a while, what is the point of being vegan.

Vegetarians I can get, they don't want animals to suffer blah blah.

Vegans - What? Won't eat cheese or milk. Sorry but show me this cheese animal that has died to give me this block of cheddar. Show me this animal that has milk as its blood that has had to die to provide me with this pint of milk.

What is the point? No animals die to give us dairy products.

I rest my case.

because they think animals suffer during the farming process.

which is true.

It's odd you get vegetarians but not vegans, personally i can understand veganism but vegetarianism just seems half-arsed and lazy.

 

[C.R.A.Z.Y]

I have no time for vegans. What they should be doing is consuming vast amounts of dairy products from local farms that treat their animals well. If these farms thrive then (as well as supporting the local economy) it will soon become a thing of the past to keep cattle in small pens or pump them full of drugs. That's pretty much how I choose to do it - 80% of my meat and dairy comes from local farms that I know raise their animals very well. I've even been to a couple of them to see for myself.

I'm pretty sure they don't have time for you either!
So what about the other 20% ?
And do you expect me to believe you never eat meat when you go out?
If you eat meat then chances are you regularly eat mass produced cruel meat, it's extremely difficult to not hence why I decided it was easier to simply not eat it at all!

It was an experiment...that went very well I feel. She also now eats bacon and real sausages after I told her...and she calmed down.

Dunno what the problem was, she wasn't going to die and she was only vegetarian as she hadn't known anything else as both her parents were. Someone needed to educate her and now she is a stronger, healthier person.



So you eat organic, well reared meat then?

lol, Jack a Nory, tell me another story UTTER BS

As for the question, yes I don't see any problem in eating free range organic meat that has been humanly killed, sadly I can't afford it so I don't

 

[gropingmantis]

lol, Jack a Nory, tell me another story UTTER BS

Nope tis indeed true. Of course this being the internet quite how I can prove this to you I dont know but yes she will now eat bacon and sausage and we are working on chicken but red meat seems to disagree with her digestive system probably something to do with never having eaten it before.

e: Yeah thats fair. It is quite a lot more to have well reared meat. At least you can have meat at Christmas, nut roast is yucky

 

[Moothead2]

It's such a pointless thing to do. For every vegan/veggie there are 1000s of people who eat meat and that will never change. Just cause there are a few of them doesn't mean the farmer kills any less Cows or houses any less Chickens in battery farms. It's to make yourself feel better about yourself and nothing else, it makes no difference whatsoever.

 

[spoffle]

I'm pretty sure they don't have time for you either!
So what about the other 20% ?
And do you expect me to believe you never eat meat when you go out?
If you eat meat then chances are you regularly eat mass produced cruel meat, it's extremely difficult to not hence why I decided it was easier to simply not eat it at all!





lol, Jack a Nory, tell me another story UTTER BS

As for the question, yes I don't see any problem in eating free range organic meat that has been humanly killed, sadly I can't afford it so I don't

Maybe I'm being dumb here, but why not just, you know, not eat meat when you go out instead of packing it in all together?

edit: dat ninja edit

 

[C.R.A.Z.Y]

It's such a pointless thing to do. For every vegan/veggie there are 1000s of people who eat meat and that will never change. Just cause there are a few of them doesn't mean the farmer kills any less Cows or houses any less Chickens in battery farms. It's to make yourself feel better about yourself and nothing else, it makes no difference whatsoever.

/not sure if serious

Less people eating meat means EXACTLY the same amount of animals needing to be killed and eaten
Supply and demand my friend
And actually Vegetarian numbers are increasing significantly each year

 

[Curio]

I'm pretty sure they don't have time for you either!
So what about the other 20% ?
And do you expect me to believe you never eat meat when you go out?
If you eat meat then chances are you regularly eat mass produced cruel meat, it's extremely difficult to not hence why I decided it was easier to simply not eat it at all!

The other 20% is when I go out. I choose to eat meat/dairy because I enjoy it. Of course it's impossible to stick to it 100% (although many local restaurants make a point of saying where their meat came from...) so the logical choice to me is to support the farms that are doing it right as best I can, and maybe one day it will be possible to get near that 100%.

Or I could just boycott all animals products, in which case the farms won't see my money and will not have any incentive to change. A small minority moaning will change nothing. A small minority spending money would be far more likely to get results.

As for the comment about them not having time for me, well that just proves how ignorant vegans can be in their rush up the moral high ground The farms I'm on about actively encourage people to visit - they use it as a marketing tool. They've realized that local people like knowing where the meat comes from and how it's treated, and that some vegan/vegetarians will even get on board (my mother-in-law being a perfect example...) because they enjoy encouraging the farms to change the way they do things.

 

[hurfdurf]

Nothing proves that vegetarianism isn't the be all and end all more than realizing that it's literally impossible to be a body-builder as one. You just can't get the diet needed to build the human form if you are a vegetarian. Good luck trying without the protein which comes almost exclusively from meat. Vegan protein sources are only a fraction as effective as meat sources.

http://i.imgur.com/sxFPC.jpg

Vegetarian? You will never be this guy.

You will never be that guy without access to copious amounts of Dianabol, Testostirone injections and Deca Durabolin either?

I don't think not being able to compete in bodybuilding is a good enough reason to write off veganism. There are reasons, but that isn't one of them

 

[jakspyder]

I'm all for responsibly farmed produce. Organic, free range and all that ****. Particularly with over farmed wild fish and such which is quickly becoming rare. But to cut it out all together is, in my opinion, retarded

 

[Redrum]

I've been thinking to myself for a while, what is the point of being vegan.

Vegetarians I can get, they don't want animals to suffer blah blah.

Vegans - What? Won't eat cheese or milk. Sorry but show me this cheese animal that has died to give me this block of cheddar. Show me this animal that has milk as its blood that has had to die to provide me with this pint of milk.

What is the point? No animals die to give us dairy products.

I rest my case.

You might have been thinking but I don't think you've been thinking very hard. What do you think happens to the male chickens and cows that are born? What do you think happens when a cow or chicken becomes too old to product milk/eggs?

And whilst the cows and chickens are useful enough to be kept alive, how do you think the profit-driven companies keep them? I'll give you the answer to that last one - the cheapest and therefore usually the worst possible condition that they can legally get away with.

 

[spoffle]

I find the "I only eat fish on ethical grounds" is a bit of a weird situation considering most fish that are caught suffocate to death, or are gutted and processed while alive. I would strongly argue that this is actually far worse than the complaints they have on the treatment of land mammals, especially when it comes to things like halal meat and the stunning.

 

[Redrum]

It's such a pointless thing to do. For every vegan/veggie there are 1000s of people who eat meat and that will never change. Just cause there are a few of them doesn't mean the farmer kills any less Cows or houses any less Chickens in battery farms. It's to make yourself feel better about yourself and nothing else, it makes no difference whatsoever.

Farmers will breed and slaughter however many animals they think they can sell. Whilst it's true that you buying a chicken in the supermarket didn't directly cause that particular chicken to be killed, it did increase the demand. If all the vegetarians started to eat meat, demand would go up massively and more animals would be bred and slaughtered to meet that demand. And of course the opposite is true, so the more people that stop buying meat, the less meat the supermarkets will buy in and the less animals the farmers will breed and slaughter.

As a non-vegetarian, the thing I don't understand is why so many other meat eaters have an issue with vegetarians. Fair enough if a vegetarian is being superior or trying to force their beliefs on you. But the vast majority do not. So why do so many people, as illustrated in this thread which I believe to be representative of the population in general, have such an issue with other people choosing not to eat meat?

You would expect it to be the vegetarians that are trying to force their beliefs onto others but it is far more often the other way around and I find this very curious.

 

[twozeronine]

It was an experiment...that went very well I feel. She also now eats bacon and real sausages after I told her...and she calmed down.

Dunno what the problem was, she wasn't going to die and she was only vegetarian as she hadn't known anything else as both her parents were. Someone needed to educate her and now she is a stronger, healthier person.



So you eat organic, well reared meat then?

I wonder if you find veggies/vegans who try to convince meat eaters to give up meat annoying?

I'm vegetarian, but I'd never try to convince someone else that my diet is the "right" one. Just let people eat whatever they want to eat.

 

[OliP]

/not sure if serious

Less people eating meat means EXACTLY the same amount of animals needing to be killed and eaten
Supply and demand my friend
And actually Vegetarian numbers are increasing significantly each year

Okay, So we all stop eating meat, dairy, cheese, eggs. There is now no need for animals to be farmed and you will only see them in Zoos every field will be turned in to vegetables because farmers will have no use to keep livestock. Is that what you want?

 

[Asura88]

Growing vegtables means clearing natural habitats for farmland which is just as destructive as clearing land for grazing. Native animals suffer. Not to mention the hundreds of tons of fertiliser washed into the water table. As well as the high energy usage to maintain year-round greenhouses. Swings and roundabouts, cheap veg comes from the same profit driven sources as cheap meat.

I also feel fortunate enough to be have been born into a developed country where i have the option to complain about how food is produced and is produced TOO cheap.

 

[sketchytom]

i will tell you what is funny. my old motorcycle mechanic tutor was a vegan

but how the heck was he the size of mr blobby?

fat *******

i dont have a problem with veggies or vegans .... im sure i can stomach their daily portion of meat

 

[spoffle]

Farmers will breed and slaughter however many animals they think they can sell. Whilst it's true that you buying a chicken in the supermarket didn't directly cause that particular chicken to be killed, it did increase the demand. If all the vegetarians started to eat meat, demand would go up massively and more animals would be bred and slaughtered to meet that demand. And of course the opposite is true, so the more people that stop buying meat, the less meat the supermarkets will buy in and the less animals the farmers will breed and slaughter.

As a non-vegetarian, the thing I don't understand is why so many other meat eaters have an issue with vegetarians. Fair enough if a vegetarian is being superior or trying to force their beliefs on you. But the vast majority do not. So why do so many people, as illustrated in this thread which I believe to be representative of the population in general, have such an issue with other people choosing not to eat meat?

You would expect it to be the vegetarians that are trying to force their beliefs onto others but it is far more often the other way around and I find this very curious.

It's all based on the rationalisation of why they are vegetarian, but generally the loudest vegetarians are usually also the craziest and have to be all militant about their life choice.

Sane vegetarians are generally "no bother" in that they don't feel the need to let everyone know they don't eat meat unless it's relevant, the same way I don't feel the need to tell everyone that I do eat and enjoy meat based products.

A lot of the loud ones are very inconsistent with their claims as well, as has already been mentioned. I personally have known a few vegetarians who feel the need to lecture people on how it's wrong to eat meat, and how they should go vegan (yes, a vegetarian telling people to go vegan). This particular crazy person would eat fish and wear leather/suede shoes but wouldn't stop going on about how it's cruel to eat meat and that I shouldn't.

I personally will respect a person's beliefs if they have the mental capacity to articulate them properly and understand what they're actually saying, which from my experience is very few vegetarians. If it's not so they can feel better than other people, it's to fit in with this self image they want to create or that they're simply completely nuts.

I have met "normies" who can articulate why they are vegetarians perfectly fine and I take no issue with such people.

It's the same way that I wouldn't respect a person's belief on cubes if they were ploclaiming cubes had 24 faces or something.