What is the situation with bouncers these days?

I'm pretty sure Chris Wilson is just trolling, or perpetually single.

As a long term veteran of the doors who paid a heavy price I've seen discussions of the profession like this many times before. Invariably it comes down to good, and bad apples etc. It's really not as simple as all that though. I worked a spectrum of venues over the years, some places where chill and the nice respectable doormen where very much appreciated. Other places, each night was like a god damned war zone. In those places you don't care if the guy your working with can verbally diffuse a situation you care about whether he can pull someone's arms and legs off and have your back when the next battle starts or when there's a group waiting for one of the lads to clock off and head home. There's regrettably a place and need for both types.

When running a door, I'd try and build a team that could do both. The problem is on any given night you don't know who you'll be sent as the managers move guys and girls around on a whim. Shirt fillers are a huge problem, especially thanks to the job centre pushing anyone and everyone they can through sia training. Whether I was renewing my badge or helping with more advanced training the quality of staff was on a steady decline. I always remember one guy who broke down in tears after failing the multiple choice exam the course tutor was giving people answers for who'd said he wanted to be a door supervisor and think he did briefly. Or a guy I affectionately nicknamed Bubbles who only stood his ground against girls half his size and would regularly go off for a cry because customers where mean to him. This absolute lemon did nothing but cause problems was complained about by the landlord regularly but repeatedly sent back to us, time and time again.

The sia was just a cash grab in my opinion, the industry needs serious reform. Door supervisors should be trained and selected to a similar level of that of CSOs as a minimum. They're there so the police don't have to be. It won't happen though because with that would come demand for much higher wages and proper employment etc.
 
Some of the better ones I think are where you get a male and a female bouncer pairing where neither look particularly intimidating or ripped/big. I've seen them get respected more with less issues. It's sometimes the super big bouncers which tend to cause more trouble from the off due to troublemakers sizing them up and wanting trouble with them.
 
Just thinking about a claim we had at the hospital.
We had 'professional' Bouncers outside A&E on a Fri/Sat night and one of them had an altercation with a patient.
Next thing a claim came in because part of his job was not to be in altercations with patients :)
 
Some of the better ones I think are where you get a male and a female bouncer pairing where neither look particularly intimidating or ripped/big. I've seen them get respected more with less issues. It's sometimes the super big bouncers which tend to cause more trouble from the off due to troublemakers sizing them up and wanting trouble with them.
One of the lads I used to work with looked about 10 stone wet through, had hair like wolf from the original gladiators and was so softly spoken he could have been mistaken for a woman on the phone.

Underestimate him at your peril, I watched him drag multiple brick ****houses out at the same time :cry: guy was a full on ninja
 
One of the lads I used to work with looked about 10 stone wet through, had hair like wolf from the original gladiators and was so softly spoken he could have been mistaken for a woman on the phone.

Underestimate him at your peril, I watched him drag multiple brick ****houses out at the same time :cry: guy was a full on ninja

I bet :)
It's the quiet ones :)
But then I guess bouncers tend to have the upper hand often being considerably more sober than their opponents.
 
Just thinking about a claim we had at the hospital.
We had 'professional' Bouncers outside A&E on a Fri/Sat night and one of them had an altercation with a patient.
Next thing a claim came in because part of his job was not to be in altercations with patients :)
You should have seen the security in A&E the other week. Four of them chasing a very loud, very sweary and very violent dusthead around the dept. before he managed to find his way through the doors and into the hospital proper. The **** leapt the hospital bed I was pushing in a single bound and went down like a sack of water in the corner of the lift before getting up like something out the terminator and running back the way he came and into 210 (FEAU) and that's when they got serious. Took three security to pin him down, he was thrashing around like ike a salmon out of water, whilst the fourth directed the police to their location. The police arrived and had to handcuff and strap him to a metal wheelchair, and he was still trying to fight his way out of it.
 
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Some of the better ones I think are where you get a male and a female bouncer pairing where neither look particularly intimidating or ripped/big. I've seen them get respected more with less issues. It's sometimes the super big bouncers which tend to cause more trouble from the off due to troublemakers sizing them up and wanting trouble with them.

I loved having a female on the team, I've seen female door staff get right in the middle of a fight and stop it dead cause blokes generally don't like hitting women. One in particular stands out, I'll call her GI Jane who in one night single handedly saved some young lad from choking on his own vomit while doing a toilet check and then subsequently got caught finger blasting one of the paramedics in the disabled toilets shortly after an absolute legend in her own right.
 
I loved having a female on the team, I've seen female door staff get right in the middle of a fight and stop it dead cause blokes generally don't like hitting women. One in particular stands out, I'll call her GI Jane who in one night single handedly saved some young lad from choking on his own vomit while doing a toilet check and then subsequently got caught finger blasting one of the paramedics in the disabled toilets shortly after an absolute legend in her own right.
How are you doing these days?
 
How are you doing these days?

I'm doing okay mate, thanks for asking. I've got a lot on my plate at the moment with health and family stuff, not to mention my new car getting totalled on the driveway a few days ago. And I'm also trying to figure out how to get off of benefits and find something to do with my free time at home but struggling to find a way forward that makes sense for me.
 
You should have seen the security in A&E the other week. Four of them chasing a very loud, very sweary and very violent dusthead around the dept. before he managed to find his way through the doors and into the hospital proper. The **** leapt the hospital bed I was pushing in a single bound and went down like a sack of water in the corner of the lift before getting up like something out the terminator and running back the way he came and into 210 (FEAU) and that's when they got serious. Took three security to pin him down, he was thrashing around like ike a salmon out of water, whilst the fourth directed the police to their location. The police arrived and had to handcuff and strap him to a metal wheelchair, and he was still trying to fight his way out of it.

Didn't somebody get knifed in A&E a few months ago?
 
I remember uni, it helps to understand I used to power/deadlift rather than simply do some weights, i remember some odd sod decided to head charge me in the stomach running across the dancefloor, so I slowly picked him up standing vertical with his head down and his legs up flayling in the air.. then slowly put him down safely pointed to his friends and off he toddled. No bouncers..
I remember another night fists were being throw on the lower dancefloor and a bouncer came running up looked and me standing on the upper dancefloor and you could read his face “ooohhh ****”. I gestured behind me he nodded, smiled and ran off to sort it with his mates.
I seemed to get on quite well with the bouncers - treated them like humans and they did the same back but I never lost it with alcohol either - much more interested in having fun :)

Long time since, I suspect all has changed.
 
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I've never had a problem with bouncers. I've seen many idiots in the clubs though. Luckily most get thrown out.

I wonder if its worse these days since people started loading up on cheap alcohol before they even set off for the night.
 
in the old days I saw some horrible Bouncers, absolute ****.
I was at The Highwayman around 1978 with my mate and he is the most peaceful placid bloke who you could ever meet, it was hard for him to even make eye contact with people and to this day never married or even had a girl friend.
We were standing on the balcony watching a band, not even jumping around and he suddenly disappeared from my side being dragged out by the Bouncers and they took him outside for a kicking.
He never went again.
Thank whatever God we don't have Bouncers like that any more (or do we?).
 
in the old days I saw some horrible Bouncers, absolute ****.
I was at The Highwayman around 1978 with my mate and he is the most peaceful placid bloke who you could ever meet, it was hard for him to even make eye contact with people and to this day never married or even had a girl friend.
We were standing on the balcony watching a band, not even jumping around and he suddenly disappeared from my side being dragged out by the Bouncers and they took him outside for a kicking.
He never went again.
Thank whatever God we don't have Bouncers like that any more (or do we?).

Oh you definitely still have them mate, it's unfortunate but in some venues they're a requirement for survival.

One place I worked a few years before my injury was the most dangerous place Ive ever worked. On the front door it was all smiles and professionalism, inside it was brutal. The venue basically allowed in every drug dealer/gangster type in at the same damn time. Mix that with D list celebrities and the occasional bell end like Connor Mcgreggor and there was a definite knock out and drag out policy in place. I saw one of our lads get knocked out because he had this one rat in a full Nelson and another doorman hit the guy so hard his head snapped back and it was lights out before he hit the deck. The same place I heard a young lass got her arm broke as she tried to stop some of our lads from beating him to death in the back alley, I quit that door the following day.

I will say though, some good lads I've worked with and genuinely liked have ended up in jail or plastered all over the papers because they've made the wrong choice on a split second decision or they've snapped. I'm not saying I agree with what they've done but it truly is a high pressure job with zero support. You can't take time off, as if you refuse one shift the shift manager will take all your hours as punishment.
 
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