What now for VMWare? What now for virtualisation?

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Cloud is not viable so hello kvm though business really wants something with paid support
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Azure Stack HCI.

It's still hyper-v under the hood and it still sucks to setup, but it's probably the best if the rest in terms of enterprise hypervisors. It's also fairly cheap too -$10 dollars per active core per month (and most vendors have software to restrict cores, which is nice).

It feels like we're pushing turds in comparison to VMware, but it's selling well and does have tighter integration with Azure.

I'd love to push xcp-ng or proxmox, but they're just not enterprise level hypervisors.
 
LostCorpse said:
out of interest what do you feel is missing from them?


that works if you want to fully integrated in to azure, not everyone does and or can afford to i would think.
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Enterprise class support.

I'm working with a client at the moment who uses xcp-ng, and the hardware vendors will categorically not support it to the point they've asked us to step in in the absence of anyone able to support it. Everything is best endeavours, which is not acceptable in the business world as a normal operating model.
 
Hellsmk2 said:
Enterprise class support.

I'm working with a client at the moment who uses xcp-ng, and the hardware vendors will categorically not support it to the point they've asked us to step in in the absence of anyone able to support it. Everything is best endeavours, which is not acceptable in the business world as a normal operating model.
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Surely if enterprise support is needed then they should be using xenserver rather than xcp-ng?
 
Be interesting to see if MS add more features to Hyper-V to try and fill the gap, or if they're more interested in people going down the Azure route given everyone wants you on a subscription based model these days...
 
willing to bet Azure.
why waste resources on something you dont want to support. they'll do it later (add fetures) if there is a big shift away from azure/subscriptions and back to on prem i suspect. i dont see that soon at the moment.
 
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spoon said:
I am not really sure what Broadcom is trying to achieve by discontinuing the perpetual licensing apart from it being a massive cash grab.
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I don't mean to be pedantic, but VMware announced that they were discontinuing perpetual licensing long before Broadcom announced the aquisition.
 
Just thought I would update to say been moving stuff to pure kvm or kubevirt. Performance currently is not perfect with kubevirt with dpdk so will be looking at adding some code, if only we could use ebpf like the pod network it would be good. Also having some I'm house looking at extending some ui to work for it as there are plenty of kubernetes options just not kubevirt.

Wierd issues with old images running Ubuntu 18 though. If I have multiple virtio pics and cores it reboots ut if I use say e1000 it is fine. A newer vm kernel fixes this but is not supported
 
We've had pricing through now for a renewal after meeting with Broadcom. It's come in slightly cheaper than our current 5 year EA per year for VCF (currently £200k per year for ESXi, vCenter, NSXT, vROPS, vRNI, SRM) at £180k, and £100k for VVF. Had been trying a number of alternatives, but with the little price difference it's not worth the time/effort to move away now, and will probably move to VVF as it contains the tech stack we predominantly use. From speaking to Broadcom, the issues around the large price rises were to do with historic customers (i.e. people who have been customers from the very beginning of ESX) who had been renewing very large estates with VMWare for massively discounted pricing or, the renewal prices were based on their initial buy prices from years ago, not sure how true that is though, but it's what we were told.
 
kefkef said:
We've had pricing through now for a renewal after meeting with Broadcom. It's come in slightly cheaper than our current 5 year EA per year for VCF (currently £200k per year for ESXi, vCenter, NSXT, vROPS, vRNI, SRM) at £180k, and £100k for VVF. Had been trying a number of alternatives, but with the little price difference it's not worth the time/effort to move away now, and will probably move to VVF as it contains the tech stack we predominantly use. From speaking to Broadcom, the issues around the large price rises were to do with historic customers (i.e. people who have been customers from the very beginning of ESX) who had been renewing very large estates with VMWare for massively discounted pricing or, the renewal prices were based on their initial buy prices from years ago, not sure how true that is though, but it's what we were told.
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When your currently at millions a year the increase looks worse though than 200k.
 
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