What to do in Japan for 2 weeks?

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I plan to go to Japan this year, have enough holidays for a 2 week trip, BA has a sale on right now for £700 return but flying in and out of Tokyo only, as opposed to out of Osaka or Fukuoka which would make the exploring easier. It means if I were to leave Tokyo I have to go back again to get to flight back.

With that in mind, how should I break it up? I want to see more than Tokyo but also don't want to spend most of the time on the train.

I am thinking Tokyo for 5 days, to Kyoto for 3 days , Osaka for 3 days, then back to Tokyo for 1 day and then fly out.

Is that too rushed? I would be going from Saturday and leave 2 weeks Saturday.
 
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I can definitely recommend Kyoto and Osaka, 3 days each would be enough to see a fair bit of stuff.

I recommend picking up a Japan Rail Pass (https://www.japan-rail-pass.co.uk). It may seem a little expensive up front but it can cover your Shinkansen (bullet train) trips which are expensive on their own, as well as give your access to the Japan Rail lines in Tokyo and other cities.

The trains are pretty quick to be honest. We took may 5 or 6 trips and you don't feel like you're wasting time.

Thanks, thinking about it, the flight would land early in the morning there, I could actually take the train straight to Kyoto first for 3 days, then Osaka and finish my time at Tokyo. Saving possibly having to stay at Tokyo for 1 night again just to get up and get the flight back.
 
Kyoto is awesome, I recommend calculating your costs for trains. It was cheaper for me to not get a rail pass.

I went Kyoto, Hiroshima and Tokyo in about two weeks. Loads to do in Kyoto.

Tokyo, well there is more than enough to do for a week! Get all the food, so much food.

Miyajima is worth visiting, if your in Hiroshima.



It's worth taking a train, just for the train experience.

Also I recommend getting a data sim, wifi believe it or not is quite scarce.

Where would you get a data sim from? any local phone shops? I think my phone is unlocked.....
 
Use this to calculate costs, I worked it out and it was so much cheaper to not use it.

I had a spreadsheet of rough costs, but I can't remember where it is now.

http://www.hyperdia.com/en/

Just had a look, a single 1 way ticket from Tokyo to Kyoto is £60. Without looking in further, I would guess may be if I get a 7 day pass for £200 should work out same ish as buying separately.
 
Whatevers cheapest, I know ours was either cheaper or so close it wasn't worth the hassle really. But we only done Kyoto > Hiroshima RTN and Kyoto > Tokyo one way.

Still the best holiday I've been on. I've left loads of countries happy to feel like I've done enough. But Japan is somewhere I NEED to return to. :)

Normally with BA deals I'd book hotel deals together but with 3 cities I'm going to arrange my own stay...which brings me to my next task...hotels? Air b&b?
 
Depending on when you are going ANA have a flight sale at the moment which is cheaper than that given in the OP if you are willing to go via Dusseldorf.

I've been to Japan a few times now and I say consider changing you split so you are in Tokyo for a shorter period at the beginning and longer there at the end. Means that you can spend time seeing things and doing shopping before you fly back.

Rail passes are good and are usable on the JR lines in Tokyo as well as on the bullet trains. I like Osaka but I'm not sure you need 3 days there really ... but you could take a day trip to Hiroshima easily particularly with a rail pass. Personally I get one usually and have a Suica card to use within the cities other that that as it makes things so much easier.

Looking forward to going again next year ... this year I get to go to ... Birmingham ...

I am thinking booking the flight, then getting a rail card which give me total freedom within japan (?) and then book my accommodation to suit.

The more I think the more going straight to Kyoto first makes more sense being that means I get to be at Tokyo last for shopping.

As for getting a connecting flight, I would prefer flying direct, the journey is already 14 hours so I don't really want to add anymore to it.
 
In general you are not going to be able to get you Rail Pass until a month or so before you go. The normal process is that what you actually get is a voucher and then when you are in Japan you exchange this voucher for the actual rail pass. The voucher has a finite life time in which it can be exchanged so you can't get it too early. I believe that they have been making changes so that you can/will be able to get a rail pass in Japan without pre-purchasing a voucher before you travel but those changes are since my last trip (April 2016). The process is simple and I normally get my vouchers from jrpass.com who, even if you don't use them, have quite a lot of useful information on their site on rail passes and how to use the Japanese rail system in general.

You can use the pass in two main ways; you can either just turn up, show the pass and sit in unreserved seating or you can reserve tickets using it for free. If doing the latter it's best to have gone onto Hyperdia in advance and worked out exactly which train you want (bullet trains are uniquely named, e.g. Hikari 416) so you can say you want this train on this day from A to B ... makes it a lot easier if the person you are speaking to has not very much English. You can't use the Nozomi trains with the rail pass (the fastest bullet trains) and you cannot use it on non-JR lines. It does mean for instance you can do things like this; I was in Kyoto and decided I really wanted some Hiroshima style Okonomiyaki ... so used my rail pass to get a train to Osaka (about 10mins) and then jumped on a bullet train down to Hiroshima in the unreservered seating. On the way down I saw a castle near the station at one of the stops so when I was on the way back, after spending the day in Hiroshima, I jumped off at that stop, had a wander around te castle for an hour then wandered back to the station and got on the next bullet train towards Osaka ... total cost to me for rail transport on the day ... nothing.

A Suica card (think Oyster card) can be useful in the cities saving you from having to buy tickets every time and can stop you ending up with loads of small change. Whilst different cities have different cards most have been linked so you can use them in the other cities as well. This means my card has been used everywhere from Sapporo to Fukuoka and even with some private rail lines that don't take JR passes will take work with the Suica cards (I've used my on private lines in Nagoya and Enoshima). You can get cards and top them up at most main line stations in Tokyo (and you can top them up elsewhere). There is info on this on the jrpass.com site too. I tend to use the JR pass whilse it is valid and I'm travelling on somethings which takes it and then switch to the Suica card when I'm back in Tokyo and the JR pass has expired. The Suica card doesn't save you money but does make you life easier. You can also use it in some convenience stores in Tokyo, some vending machines and some station lockers.



I'd spend one day in Tokyo as it would allow you to sort out any rail pass things and also if you are staying at the same hotel when you return to Tokyo you could then store some of your luggage there rather than dragging it around (remembering that luggage space on bullets trains is not large at all). This is what we normally do and leaving big suitcases in Tokyo and then only using small ones for travelling around and the hotels we use normally do it for no charge for up to 7 days (or if you sweet talk them you can get a bit longer).



I'm with you on getting direct flights .... at ~11:30hrs for the flight I want to just get on and then off at the final destination. Personally I fly JAL (usually premium economy) normally as I find their ~7pm flight from Heathrow works best for me jetlag wise as, after staying awake on the flight, it gets into Tokyo mid/late afternoon which means I get to my hotel between 5-6pm, shower, go out for some food / top up my Suica card / wander around Shinjuku a bit and then go to bed about 9pm and normally by the next morning I feel normal again. Speaking to someone I know who is Japanese and has flown many different carriers back and forth she says that whilst JAL and BA do code share on flights you can get better luggage allowances on JAL flights than BA ones.

You need to consider as well which Tokyo airport you are flying into, Narita or Haneda ... the former being a lot further out of Tokyo than the latter so taking quite a bit longer and can cost more to get into the city from. Also how you are going to get in from the airport to the city. there are various options for this including rail and limobus. Personally I use the Limobus (orange and white coaches you see all around Tokyo) as it's realy easy, I just walk out of Haneda arrivals and across to the desk and buy a ticket ... then it's only about 50 yards and a lift to get to the Shinjuku stop. From there I can get the coach that loops round Shinjuku and be dropped off directly outside my hotel (in Tokyo I tend to stay at either the Hilton Shinjuku West or the Keio Plaza) ... but there are lots of coaches going to lots of hotels and means you don't have to drag your luggage through crowed train stations after a long flight. If you look around there can be various ticket deals to do with getting the train in from the airports as well if you want to do it that way.


Great info!

Edit - booked.....Narita it is! Save the money for something else.
 
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Talking of the jet lag, when I've been, I used to KLM to go from Manchester to Osaka via Amsterdam. Took off from Manchester at 11:00 and then arrived in Kansai at around 08:30 Japanese time. Yes, this is more brutal on the jet lag (because that's 00:30 body time) as you've got a full day to endure after just having flown for 12 hours, but I felt like I was still getting a day, rather than having "lost" that first day by landing in the early evening.

YMMV etc.

When I fly to HK I generally get a flight that lands at 3pm local time, and you are right, by the time checking into a hotel it is dinner time and then after food you just want to sleep. That's a whole day gone.

Just booked!!!
 
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I pride myself to be able to sleep anywhere....the plan is to sleep at least 6 hours on the way there which should get me through the first day. Since I land in Tokyo and leave from Tokyo, the first day I rather head off straight to somewhere like Kyoto, travel around a bit and spend the 2nd half of the trip entirely in and around Tokyo. If I arrive in the evening then I would have to get a hotel the first day there and then go to Kyoto only to return again.

The return flight is at midday so I really need to be in Tokyo the night before.

Airport parking booked now! Spent over £1k already and I've not even looked into accommodation yet!
 
I've done the arrive at 8.30 am thing three and whilst you do get an extra day it feels horrific.

First time we did it we went to the hotel and they let us check in early. Next thing I knew in was 10pm and this screwed me up for the next four days.

Second time we went out and about but by 6 we had crashed completely.

Last year we went and watched sumo but fell asleep before the maintenance wrestlers came out.

Going this year and landing at 2.40 pm. Only reason was the BA flights for our dates were quite a lot more than the ANA ones when we booked. I'm hoping it might work out better in terms of jet lag. It's a shame that virgin don't fly there any more because the fares were a lot cheaper accross all carriers (£395 direct in 2013 which works out about £427 with inflation today).

Even though you are flying back from tokyo you can get quite a distance in that time. A couple of years ago we did Tokyo-miyajima-Fukuoka-Nagasaki-Kumamoto-Kagoshima-Yakushima. Train down then a flight back. ANA do special 'experience japan' fares which are between £40-70 a flight.

If you go to Hiroshima I recommend staying on Miyajima. It's my favourite place in Japan (and possibly anywhere). Can get over to the island using the JR pass as well.

In Tokyo we tend to stay at the Citadines (the one near shinjukugyoen-mae) because it's not particularly expensive and because it's an aparthotel the rooms are bigger than standard rooms elsewhere. A lot of the standard rooms elsewhere are between 15m2 to 17m2 which felt claustrophobic. I can also recommend the Keio plaza.

Thanks, but i think i'll have to suck it up and go for it. There are a lot of other places in the world i want to go, so I don't think i'll go back again soon, plus it isn't cheap!

This my plan (1st draft) so far....

Sunday Day 1 land in Tokyo (10:30) - Straight into train to Mt Fuji, look at the sites, stay the night.

Day 2 (Monday) to Kyoto, a couple of temples and Bamboo forest, stay perhaps 2 nights, 5th day (Thursday) i'll head to Osaka? Also planning to go to Kobe and then Hiroshima.

By Sunday or Monday i'll do an internal flight to Tokyo for 5 nights from Hiroshima.

Is this doable?
 
Okay, still planning…

What do people think?

Start with landing in Tokyo at 10:30am, go straight to Hakone for the first night, work my way down to Fukuoka for the first 7 days. At Fukuoka do an internal flight back to Tokyo for the 2nd week.

Or

Fly straight to Fukuoka for the first night, and work my way up Japan, Hiroshima, Kyoto, Osaka, Hakone then Tokyo on the Shinkansen.

The number of journeys will be the same, which order would you do it in? A little quiet time in Hakone for a day before Tokyo sounds tempting.
 
I'm currently planning trip with friends for 3 weeks to Japan in 2018. FYI you can fly Tokyo to Osaka with Peach Airways for about £40... which seems to be worth it as it costs more in train fares.

We are starting in Tokyo, then going to Osaka/Kobe/Kyoto before going to Hiroshima and Kure (naval museum) then back to Tokyo


Nice.

I know about the flight but not completely decided on travel within Japan yet for the long distances. The reason I am thinking about trains is because i want to go to Hakone for 1 day to see Mount Fuji and stay in a traditional Japanese inn there. The flight between Fukuoka and Tokyo is not cheap, about £150 at the moment….like a return ticket between the UK to most EU countries via BA.
 
I'd make the following comments ....
- Personally, I've been to Hakone a couple of time and thought that it was massively overrated. But I suspect that this depends a lot on where you stay there.
- Traveling to Fukuoka and working your way back up sounds like a good idea. The only potential issue is that there isn't much luggage space on the shinkansen so traveling with a large suitcase could be an issue (I normally use a smaller case for the periods of my holidays I'm outside Tokyo (think cabin bag size) and leave my large suitcase in the Tokyo hotel. Make sure you have okonomiyaki in Hiroshima as it's different from varieties you get in Osaka and Tokyo.
- Depending on the time of year you go you might need to make sure you have a backup plan if you are flying internally. I've only done it once (New Chitose (Sapporo) to Kansai (Osaka)) but was very lucky as the last big typhoon of the season was bearing down on Osaka and it was very touch and go whether we would be able to fly (we were the last plane into Kansai airport before it was closed and they were shutting down the rail station as we got into Osaka) .... if we hadn't we would have been stuck in Hokkaido. If you are flying internationally on a Japanese carrier you might be able to get a deal on any internal flights (I know JAL have done this in the past although I don't know if they have any offers on at the moment).

Roll on Autumn 2018 for my next trip ...

Thanks for that, and I have just booked my internal flight from Narita to Fukuoka.

I land in Narita at 10:30am. Flight from Narita to Fukuoka is 1:30pm so should be plenty of time, cost £75 so not too bad, last night it was £150 for the same trip for some reason…

Also booked first night in Fukuoka, nothing too adventurous, Royal Park right next to the station and near the centre. Soon as I checked in I am grabbing some Ramen and then wake up early to see some shrines before checking out.

Re luggage…I am tempted to go all small, cabin size suitcase with 1 messenger bag. It would be so much faster and easier, I just need to pack conservatively. I might just do that for the first week and buy a suitcase in Tokyo and use that to carry goodies back home.
 
Ramen in Fukuoka .... has to be Tonkotsu Ramen (based on a pork stock rather than miso or soy). I admit it's my favourite ramen.

Last time I was in Asakusa in Tokyo there were lots of shops selling cheap suitcases to tourists or if you want one which lasts more than one trip then Tokyu Hands sell them too and are in various parts of Tokyo (I've been to them in Shinjuku, Shibuya and Ikebukuro but there's like more).

Found this.

https://findingfukuoka.wordpress.com/ramen/

The cheat would be Ramen Stadium, it's in a shopping mall, food court, 5mins from the hotel.

The most authentic one is 45mins walk away but doable.
 
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