What to do with teenagers?

I wonder how the other countries tackle the problem too (genuine question!). They have better sex education which helps somewhat towards the teenage pregnancies and I *think* they have harsher jail sentencing with stricter enforcement in the actual jails.

I applied for the army (intelligence section) when I turned 18 and had completed my A levels but was rejected due to health reasons. Otherwise I would be there now.
 
manic_man said:
And yet these nations don't send all of their youth on an enforced scheme of serving their national armed forces?
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"The term National Service is still currently used to describe compulsory military service programs in countries including Austria, Mexico, Denmark, Germany, Greece, Israel, Malaysia, the Republic of China (Taiwan), Russia, Singapore, South Korea, Norway, Sweden, and Switzerland."

I can see about eight prominent countries in that list, and Finland also do it. Not sure if that's what you are asking.

manic_man said:
Out of interest, all those in favour are you either currently voluntarily in the forces yourself or alternatively of an age which will mean you would be eligable for elistment right now if it was introduced? Or are you neither and beyond the age where it would apply and looking back retrospectively as to how you think it should have been done, and therefore how it should be done now? (genuine question)
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I am 22 now so yes I am past it, but I was in the sea/marine cadet corps and was going to join the royal marines when I left school. For me it's not just a case of "oh I can support it now it doesn't apply to me", as I'd be in the RSPCA or royal marine corps right now if circumstances were different. :)
 
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tbh i'm asking how countries like France (who are always saying just how run down this country is) and indeed places like the states deal with the issues that would be solved by forced conscription (allegedly.)

There must be a way to keep this countries policy of (more or less) absolute personal freedom, while tackling the issues. Unless of course the prolems go hand in hand with a free-er society, in which case im then conflicted!

im quite suprised to see Germany in there, I genuinely didn't know they had a scheme like that in place. A good proportion of the others from that list however I don't exactly count as shining examples of modern day society (im sure they would heartily disagree with me :))
 
manic_man said:
tbh i'm asking how countries like France (who are always saying just how run down this country is) and indeed places like the states deal with the issues that would be solved by forced conscription (allegedly.)
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Can't say I know enough about French society to know what problems they have outside of the unemployment riots they had some time ago. I guess getting more people into the French military would solve some of that though.

manic_man said:
im quite suprised to see Germany in there, I genuinely didn't know they had a scheme like that in place. A good proportion of the others from that list however I don't exactly count as shining examples of modern day society (im sure they would heartily disagree with me :))
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Don't worry, I agree with you that some of those countries aren't exactly a shining bastion of civilisation but the majority of them are very nice countries who don't tend to be overbearing on the world stage like the US and ourselves are.
 
in most cases parents are to blame,they just sit waching tv,drugs or booze, dont give a toss what there kids are doing.
so blame the kids or parents,i say parents.
 
Legislate against bad parents forcing them to take responsibilty for their children, fine them/stop their benefits, I'm of the opinion that it would go a fair way to tackling misbehaving teenagers

More police patrols at night in unmarked police cars so the kids don't just run away when they see a police car coming down the road. Also kit these cars out with surveilence equipment so there is evidence with which to present to the parents/courts

Beef up the criminal justice system so teenage criminals are punished in a way that will hit them where it hurts scrap asbo's and if criminal acts have been committed fine the parents, get rid of stupid human rights laws so the teenagers and bad parents can worm out of paying for fines or getting their benefits stopped. If the crime warrants it send then to prison, no soft options.
 
cant imagine enforcing much of parents will do much really, thats what theyv tried to do for quite a while.. Sort out current youth and write off their parents, in turn current youth will enforce discipline in their children as it was the case with them through national service.
 
I have better things to spend my two months doing than being in some camp. The whole idea of National Service that people are promoting at the moment is to get rid of the sterotypical chav who cannot be bothered getting a job and thinks it's fine to beat people up.

The difference is, I do actually want a job and don't think it's ok to beat people up, so why would I need to go?

This is completely different to "wanting to fight for freedom". If the time come where (like in WW2) I had to be called up I'd have no problem as it would be for something bigger than my career. It would be for my future and my kids future.

why not 'waste' one doing something hands on giving back to the country that has just educated you?
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What would I be giving back? I didn't technically "take" anything. My parents and family pay taxes so they paid for the things I enjoy. It would cost money for the staff to "train" me. I'll be giving back fine in my taxes in a few years time.
 
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peetee said:
cant imagine enforcing much of parents will do much really, thats what theyv tried to do for quite a while.. Sort out current youth and write off their parents, in turn current youth will enforce discipline in their children as it was the case with them through national service.
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It has to be done in a meaningful way that will punish parents in a way that will hurt them. You stop some skol drinking benefit monkies payouts for two months they won't be happy. I'm sure the threat of a repeat stoppage for 4 months will get them to dicsipline their brats.
 
KNiVES said:
and it helps build discipline and character,.
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And probably suicides as well. Judging by what happened to Pyro.

I would move to another country rather than do national service, the idea reminds me too much of nazi germany for my liking.
 
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Energize said:
And probably suicides as well. Judging by what happened to Pyro.

I would move to another country rather than do national service, the idea reminds me too much of nazi germany for my liking.
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National service doesn't necessarily entail army service btw. In Finland you can do community work or nursing or that kind of thing. In Germany you can do youth work.
 
Energize said:
And probably suicides as well. Judging by what happened to Pyro.
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From what I read that was due to bullying and not national service itself. Unfortunately I'm not familiar with what happened, and I never knew Pyro but I'm sorry for the loss of his friends and family.

That said I don't think you can blame national service in itself for that.

Energize said:
I would move to another country rather than do national service, the idea reminds me too much of nazi germany for my liking.
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Then you'll be happy to know that national service is still done in Germany to this very day, as well as numerous other countries like Finland, Denmark, Austria, Greece, Norway, Sweden and Switzerland.

Doesn't really sound like a fascist bunch of countries to me, in fact most of them are places I want to visit.
 
Ulfhedjinn said:
It works apparently, just also works on everyone else in the area under 25 years old.
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Co-op now use this in troublesome areas, particularly some stores in Plymouth. I read it in the company newsletter the other day, and thought it was an outrageous idea.

There's at least 10 people that work in my store that are under 25. In fact, they're all 21 or younger, including myself. Sometimes I have to work in other stores, and if this device is being used, what's going to happen to me? Will young people not be able to work in these stores because of this?
 
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vonhelmet said:
National service doesn't necessarily entail army service btw. In Finland you can do community work or nursing or that kind of thing. In Germany you can do youth work.
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True guy here in uni did that, but his mate chose the army option walked in and said "I want to join the Wehrmacht! He was told he was ineligible and didn't have to do either ^^
 
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