What were the advantages in being in the EU?

[davewhite04]

Now that we've decided to leave the EU I just want to get a grasp on what is angering the ex-remain camp.

The only thing that affects me is I'll probably have to apply for an updated passport/driving license once we cut ties.

How does it affect you?

 

[Sankari]

We are a family of four, and our British passports will be almost worthless without free movement throughout the Schengen Area.

I'm also deeply concerned about the repercussions for Britain, particularly since my pension-aged in-laws will suffer if the economy takes a nosedive into yet another recession. They live in Devon and neither of them has the energy or skills to re-enter the workforce at this late stage.

 

[Caged]

It's going to cost me some money to get Irish citizenship as an insurance policy, I work in London and we have a lot of clients in the EU. So naturally I am worried about my job either not being there any more, or another half decade of wage stagnation.

 

[beh]

The only thing that affects me is I'll probably have to apply for an updated passport/driving license once we cut ties.

Do you really believe that is the only thing you will face?

To start you off, not sure we'd have nice things like the Working Time Directive without the EU (we were the only country to vote against it).

 

[Sankari]

To start you off, not sure we'd have nice things like the Working Time Directive without the EU (we were the only country to vote against it).

Apparently the Leavers don't mind working overtime for free. An extra 2 or 3 unpaid hours per day is nothing to them!

 

[Narj]

Apparently the Leavers don't mind working overtime for free. An extra 2 or 3 unpaid hours per day is nothing to them!

I've opted out of the WTD in every job I've had and have always been compensated for overtime either with cash or TOIL. If you accept crap terms by signing a contract that states you're unpaid/unrewarded for OT then that's down to you.

 

[davewhite04]

We are a family of four, and our British passports will be almost worthless without free movement throughout the Schengen Area.

I'm also deeply concerned about the repercussions for Britain, particularly since my pension-aged in-laws will suffer if the economy takes a nosedive into yet another recession. They live in Devon and neither of them has the energy or skills to re-enter the workforce at this late stage.

Your passport won't be useless. Europe is actually the continent we reside in.

I also have family, some elderly and I share none of your worries. The government state pension is safe. If they have private pensions, they will be backed by under writers.

Devon will probably(as it's one of the nicest places in England) have a boom in its holiday(can't think of correct word) business, which will be a big bonus to local small business and the council economy.

 

[Caged]

I've opted out of the WTD in every job I've had and have always been compensated for overtime either with cash or TOIL. If you accept crap terms by signing a contract that states you're unpaid for OT then that's down to you.

Ah yes, 'FYGM'.

You could only opt out of the maximum working week. It prevented exploitation of people who weren't in a position where they had the luxury of telling an employer to shove it.

 

[davewhite04]

It's going to cost me some money to get Irish citizenship as an insurance policy, I work in London and we have a lot of clients in the EU. So naturally I am worried about my job either not being there any more, or another half decade of wage stagnation.

That is understandable. I'm not sure what business you are in but out of 100, how optimistic are you that your firm will keep them clients once we leave the EU?

 

[Caged]

If we stay in the trading bloc then 100%, but that's not what Leave want.

 

[davewhite04]

Let's not argue, we've done enough of that, let's have a brain storming session.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

Now that we've decided to leave the EU I just want to get a grasp on what is angering the ex-remain camp.

The only thing that affects me is I'll probably have to apply for an updated passport/driving license once we cut ties.

How does it affect you?

Would it not have been a good idea to ask these questions BEFORE the referendum?

 

[davewhite04]

If we stay in the trading bloc then 100%, but that's not what Leave want.

If we *can* get it without freedom of movement then we will. Germany are the powerhouse in the EU and I think this would be in their interest.

 

[iamtheoneneo]

Hilarious people bringing up the WTD, you understand that it means absolutely nothing, and insanely easy for employers to opt out of?
Iv been on both ends of it as employee and employer - it does nothing to prevent exploitation at all, and much like a lot of the EU ideas its methodology is ill thought out.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

Hilarious people bringing up the WTD, you understand that it means absolutely nothing, and insanely easy for employers to opt out of?

Employers can't opt out of it.

It's employees that have the option of opting out of it - and it's voluntary, no one can make you opt out of it.

 

[nine_tails]

Girlfriend is from Austria, I hold a Indian citizenship (Can convert to British). This puts us into completely unknown territory. She worked for 3 years and was planning to take a break from work ; She is dependent on NHS as she struggles with a few medical conditions. This is a massive blow for us. We honestly don't know what is going to happen next.

 

[Deleted member 66701]

Girlfriend is from Austria, I hold a Indian citizenship (Can convert to British). This puts us into completely unknown territory. She worked for 3 years and was planning to take a break from work ; She is dependent on NHS as she struggles with a few medical conditions. This is a massive blow for us. We honestly don't know what is going to happen next.

Ah, so your GF is the reason the NHS has no money left!

 

[Rroff]

Hilarious people bringing up the WTD, you understand that it means absolutely nothing, and insanely easy for employers to opt out of?
Iv been on both ends of it as employee and employer - it does nothing to prevent exploitation at all, and much like a lot of the EU ideas its methodology is ill thought out.

There are a few industries that can play on the fact that people want to progress to effectively coerce people into signing out of it but for a lot of the more menial work, where often people don't have the luxury of being able to tell the employer to shove it if they aren't getting fair overtime, etc. it has gone a long way to stopping exploitation. The interesting thing is that a good percentage of the leave voters are ones that will be directly affected if the WTD and other regulations are removed but sadly there are a lot that will be affected that didn't vote for it either.

That said the EU also tied a lot of companies up in unnecessary red tape so it isn't a completely one sided story.

 

[beh]

Hilarious people bringing up the WTD, you understand that it means absolutely nothing, and insanely easy for employers to opt out of?
Iv been on both ends of it as employee and employer - it does nothing to prevent exploitation at all, and much like a lot of the EU ideas its methodology is ill thought out.

So there would be less exploitation if we didn't have it? Is America a good example?

 

[davewhite04]

Girlfriend is from Austria, I hold a Indian citizenship (Can convert to British). This puts us into completely unknown territory. She worked for 3 years and was planning to take a break from work ; She is dependent on NHS as she struggles with a few medical conditions. This is a massive blow for us. We honestly don't know what is going to happen next.

This is a complex one. I talked to an NHS consultant and the rumours in the NHS is that some people will have to pay for treatment, I don't think this will happen to be honest.

If your relationship is marriage material then you need to decide what country you want to live in. Considering your girlfriends conditions I'd recommend Britain.