what will happen to petrol and diesel.

bigmike20vt

bigmike20vt

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I am a big fan of electric cars and plan for my next to be electric. But as I understand it petrol and the. diesel is some of the rubbish at the end of the fractionation process.

presumably oil will still be used for plastics and what not and is needed for tar etc.

so what will the pretrol and diesel be used for?
 
bigmike20vt said:
production of what tho. we still need tar and plastics etc.

or are you saying petrol and diesel is more than essentially 1 product of the whole process.

thanks for the reply btw.
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I've no idea on how it'll all work tbh, you'd need to know what the ratio of the byproducts are as part of the manufacturing process of plastics and the like. I wish I could comment on that but I've not got anywhere near enough data and am far too lazy to research it.

Diesel is still used in agriculture, shipping, construction, logistics, etc. So although the demand will be reduced by the move to "greener" (debateable) cars for everyday use, the need for diesel isn't going away any time soon.

It's the biggest industry in the world though, I'm sure the greedy fatcats will find a way to keep their pockets lined.
 
We will never completely remove the use of oil, the approach is Net Zerro.

I don’t agree that petrol and diesel is a bi product.

A quick Google serch suggested the following brake-down from a barrel of oil.

46% - petrol
22% - Diesel
9% - jet fuel
8% - fuel oil / LPG
15% - other products (assume plastics etc)
 
Diddums said:
I've no idea on how it'll all work tbh, you'd need to know what the ratio of the byproducts are as part of the manufacturing process of plastics and the like. I wish I could comment on that but I've not got anywhere near enough data and am far too lazy to research it.

Diesel is still used in agriculture, shipping, construction, logistics, etc. So although the demand will be reduced by the move to "greener" (debateable) cars for everyday use, the need for diesel isn't going away any time soon.

It's the biggest industry in the world though, I'm sure the greedy fatcats will find a way to keep their pockets lined.
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Shipping and logistics are pushing to move away from it but won't be quick.
I've started moving our fleet away from diesel and fuel oil.
Replaced 6 of our older FLTs with electric this year so far. Going to be going hydrogen with our larger trucks, tractor units and stackers.
Cranes are going electric.
I've switched one of our workboats over to HVO and I'm going to trial another vessel on alcohol.
Its still going to take 10+ years to achieve the move away from diesel for us alone.
 
Dis86 said:
Shipping and logistics are pushing to move away from it but won't be quick.
I've started moving our fleet away from diesel and fuel oil.
Replaced 6 of our older FLTs with electric this year so far. Going to be going hydrogen with our larger trucks, tractor units and stackers.
Cranes are going electric.
I've switched one of our workboats over to HVO and I'm going to trial another vessel on alcohol.
Its still going to take 10+ years to achieve the move away from diesel for us alone.
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I moved a few generators to HVO recently, the problem is that the stuff decays over time. If it's not maintained properly it'll let you down when the generators are needed and the fuel doesn't spark. That could be one hell of an awkward meeting :(
 
I suspect what will happen is production will be maximised to what is needed, possibly if the need for a base for plastics exceeds what is profitable once the need for oil for fuel drops there will be an increase in "organic" plastics.

One thing you can be fairly certain of, is that the likes of BP will be doing a lot of research into what to do with crude (for example is it possible to adjust the refining process to produce a higher percentage of the output that is good for plastic, or lubricants), or how to replace it completely if it becomes unprofitable to drill for it compared to potentially using other sources for the same end products.
 
Diddums said:
I moved a few generators to HVO recently, the problem is that the stuff decays over time. If it's not maintained properly it'll let you down when the generators are needed and the fuel doesn't spark. That could be one hell of an awkward meeting :(
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Actually, good point. I haven't thought about any of our backup generators. I'll check compatibility.
Had to empty them of red not long back :(
 
Plastic is used because it's cheap. If less petrol is made, plastic will be less cheap and other newly more cost effective things will be used to make most things and the stuff that's actually optimal to be made of plastic will just go up in price I guess.
 
I suspect trying to run a petrol/diesel vehicle 10-15 years from now is going to a bit awkward, and expensive.
 
Uther said:
I suspect trying to run a petrol/diesel vehicle 10-15 years from now is going to a bit awkward, and expensive.
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In the same way for many running an all electric car is today?

In 15 years time there is still going to be loads of petrol/deiseal cars on the road.

While electric cars can be considered greener they are only as good as how you generate the electricity and without a massive increase in low carbon electricity generation it is only nice words and a feel good thing. Funny how all the talk is about low carbon energy generation and not no carbon generation?
 
Dalandius said:
In the same way for many running an all electric car is today?

In 15 years time there is still going to be loads of petrol/deiseal cars on the road.

While electric cars can be considered greener they are only as good as how you generate the electricity and without a massive increase in low carbon electricity generation it is only nice words and a feel good thing. Funny how all the talk is about low carbon energy generation and not no carbon generation?
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Oh man well you got us, back to exclusively burning dinosaurs it is
 
Dis86 said:
Going to be going hydrogen with our larger trucks, tractor units and stackers
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What companies are currently offering those? Or is this a long term plan?

new boy said:
Plastic is used because it's cheap. If less petrol is made, plastic will be less cheap and other newly more cost effective things will be used to make most things and the stuff that's actually optimal to be made of plastic will just go up in price I guess.
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It's also lightweight and can be formed into complex shapes. Regardless this raises a good question if the price of plastic goes up what will it be replaced with.

I wonder if they can fiddle with the distillation process to output more oil that can be used for plastics.
 
Chuk_Chuk said:
What companies are currently offering those? Or is this a long term plan?


It's also lightweight and can be formed into complex shapes. Regardless this raises a good question if the price of plastic goes up what will it be replaced with.

I wonder if they can fiddle with the distillation process to output more oil that can be used for plastics.
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IIRC there are ways to get the polymers needed for at least some plastics from vegetation, I can't remember many details but it was being looked into at least 20 years ago because it was seen as poitentially a cheap/eco friendly way to make at least some types of plastic as you could potentially grow the crop, use the bits that had a high concentration of the polymers for plastic then either use most of the rest for animal feed, or compost it down.
 
Chuk_Chuk said:
What companies are currently offering those? Or is this a long term plan?


It's also lightweight and can be formed into complex shapes. Regardless this raises a good question if the price of plastic goes up what will it be replaced with.

I wonder if they can fiddle with the distillation process to output more oil that can be used for plastics.
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Kalmar and Terberg are leading the way.
 
I fully expect the shipping industry will happy take any surplus diesel once demand from road vehicles drops off, particularly if its as cheap as the fuel oil they burn while out at sea. They have to burn diesel when inshore already as its much cleaner.

As for petrol, I'm not really sure, there is still going to be demand for it for a few decades yet. Just not on todays scale, perhaps the refining process can be changed so less is made.
 
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