What would you do?

I wouldnt say he was racing......so both flew past you.....saxo driver pulled out to overtake the corsa.....corsa pulled out to stop him and caused the crash.

Yes they shouldnt have been going for it but the corse was a/the cause of the accident. The insurance will probably take what you say as racing so its being a nice guy and letting the insurance decide.
 
thebrasso said:
The situation, last thursday I entered a 50 limit dual carriageway and a chav'd Corsa and a Saxo go past me like I'm standing still. Seconds later, the Saxo goes for an overtake, the Corsa pulls out, the Saxo brakes and swerves. He hits a raised kerb and comes to a stop ten meteres from a petrol pump.

BP service station on the A50 eastbound before the exit for Blythe Bridge/Meir park.

Anyway, I saw this happen and stopped to check the lad in the Saxo was ok. He was in shock mainly, his car was knackered. My take was he was racing, but the guy in the Corsa (who he'd got a reg plate for) pulled out forcing him to brake and lose control. Still the Saxo driver's fault IMO.

Anyway, he said if he needed a police statement would I provide one, I said I would.

Had a call earlier, asking for details for his insurance company. Should I back away at this point?

Personally I think the guy was a **** but he learnt a valuable lesson that night.

Edit: I'm not sure why I agreed to help, not sure what the implications are?
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Shop the silly little turd! :mad:

I regularly fuel up at that garage (I live in Blythe Bridge), the implications of that morons actions could have been tragic.
Also, that area has a large housing estate near by, plenty of kids would rather play chicken & run across the carriageway , they can't or won't use the crossings that go over the A50.
The place for putting your foot down is not there, as any half intelegent driver would realise, actually, its about 3 miles further up, the "Uttoxeter Bypass" - about 7 odd miles of dual carriageway with no exits, garages, shops or kids! - Time's and places for speed. ;)



As for implications, I'd not worry about having a clear concience, if I had it my way, all drivers under say 20 (sorry to the good ones!) would have "Hows my driving? - Tel 0800 --- ---" stickers, by law. ;)

His car was knackered? Good.
 
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Aye, I don't think I'm going to give opinions. I'll just say that they flew past me, overtake was blocked and the lad had to brake and lost control.

If they ask my opinion I'd give it but I'll see if they actually get in touch first.

If you could have seen where he landed, the car was literally ten metres from a live petrol pump. He's lucky he didn't hit that, it could have been game over for a lot of people.

Thanks for the advice guys.
 
thebrasso said:
If you could have seen where he landed, the car was literally ten metres from a live petrol pump. He's lucky he didn't hit that, it could have been game over for a lot of people.
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Dunno about that, we don't live in a movie you know ;)
 
did the police get involved at all? if they were racing they really should have been called and the whole thing reported to them, infact if the guy who crashed wants to try and claim off the other one hes going to need a police report surely.

But then the whole if you hit someone from behind thing is going to apply here, so he doesn't have a chance in hell of getting anything off the corsa....
 
Nope, he has FC insurance apparently and its just a case of they want to know what happened. I'll just tell em what I saw, no opinions of what I think they were doing.

The police had been called by the petrol station, I didn't hang around that long because I was off out somewhere so I didn't see the police arrive.
 
He's obviously only asked you to be a witness as he's hoping you'll lay blame on the Corsa rather than the fact that he was driving like a loon. Why he thinks a complete stranger to him will get him out of a sticky situation is beyond me. To be honest i think you did the right thing by stopping to see if he was ok. I'd have given a statement to the police if it had been required, but wouldnt have got involved with anything to do with his insurance. I'd be tempted if the insurance does contact you to decline to give any information. Im assuming that there should be a police report, so they should be able to get what they need from that and may not need to contact you.
 
Nope, the guy in the Corsa exited the dual carriageway (theres an exit half a mile further up), came around the roundabout then went down the dual carriageway the other way giving us the v's.

Sod it, whats done is done now.
 
To the OP: Just tell it like it was. Say what you thought was going on, the speeds they were doing and the fact that they were driving very dangerously, then you just have to leave it to the insurance company to decide who pays what.

If im understanding the original post correctly, i think its the corsas fault! Although the saxo was doing speed, the corsa was not driving with due care and attention and pulled out in front of someone.
 
thebrasso said:
Corsa exited the dual carriageway (theres an exit half a mile further up), came around the roundabout then went down the dual carriageway the other way giving us the v's.
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Personally i would contact the police regarding that one.
 
Surely the fact that the guy has stacked his car will make him slow down?

What did he seem like to you Andy? Cocky or was he quite upset?

So what if they were racing. They were doing it on a dual carriageway... two lanes either side of the road. No children were hurt, no bunnies killed. IMO, the Corsa driver caused the crash, not the Saxo driver.

I was having a play on some dual carriageways last night. I was doing fairly silly speeds on the straights and on the roundabouts. I wasn't driving dangerously, and from what it sounds like, neither were these guys.

Overtaking on a dual carrigeway isn't dangerous.
 
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Firstly, as some others have said, tell it exactly like it is. Don't mention racing as this is merely your opinion of what was happening and they don't want opinions. Furthermore, telling them your opinion of what was happening and possibly who you considered to be at fault may demonstrate potential prejudice and taint your credibility as a witness.

Secondly, the Corsa driver is far from blameless in all of this. If the Saxo driver was already on the other side of the road coming up to overtake then the Corsa driver should have checked his mirrors before pulling out. The fact that the Saxo driver was on the "wrong" side of the road isn't relevant, he was in the midst of a manouvre and the Corsa driver still pulled out on him. This is no different to someone in the middle lane of the motorway pulling out in front of another car which is about to overtake at much higher speed and causing an accident, the driver pulling out would be at fault.
 
DanTheMan said:
I'd do nothing and hope he learns a valuable lesson. Does my nut in the fact I'll end up having to pay 2k+ on insurance on any half decent car because of these people.
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Quoted for truth :D
 
I'm just going to say they went past me as I entered the dual carriageway and seconds later the Saxo pulled out, the Corsa pulled out, the Saxo slammed the brakes on and lost it and I hit the hazards and pulled over at the petrol station.

If they ask what I think happened I'll tell them.

Hearsay doesn't come into it.
 
The_Dark_Side said:
tell the truth.
describe exactly what you are sure happened, no more no less.
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exactly

dont lie either for him or against him

and id let the guy know you wont lie for him and explain that he needs to slow down.
 
MrLOL said:
exactly

dont lie either for him or against him

and id let the guy know you wont lie for him and explain that he needs to slow down.
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the fact is that being caught and punished for motoring offences doesn't stop the driver doing the same thing again in a huge number of cases.
having a lucky escape or being let off with a warning is less effective again at altering the drivers behaviour.
 
In your position I would just state the facts to the guys insurance company if they call. Give them the speed you were doing when they passed you, and as concise a description of the events as you can after that point.

What I wouldn't do is say they were racing or guestimate their speed as thats not really your job. If the insurance company has the facts at hand then they can decide themselves if they were racing or not.

EDIT- If I had actually read the second page of the thread I could have just quoted Vertigo as he's summed it all up nicely :o :D
 
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Having just read the opening post, i would have seen if the guy was ok, commented about the state of his car and then driven off.
Thats your civic duty done.
 
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