What would you have done? - junk mail

[Deleted member 651465]

Well I had an area manager and the sorting office manager in my house just after 7 this morning.

They asked me to write a statement of how I found the leaflets, they also took photos of the pile of them, and also of where the bin was.

I said I didn't want anyone to be losing their job, their response to that was that they had evidence he had done it before, which is why they were taking it so seriously.

I'd say that was a fair response.

As I said earlier, if this was a first occassion, he'd probably be looking at a slap on the wrist.. the fact that it's a recurrence says he's not up to the job, which the employer is now pursuing.

Next time he may decided he doesn't want to deliver that heavy package and throws that in the bin

 

[pitchfork]

You did the right thing. He's paid to do a job, he should be doing it, no excuses.

Postmen are overworked to buggery today.

And no one wakes up and thinks "Oh goody, the deluge of total **** is about to fly through my letterbox with my post" and if they do it's in a sarcastic menner.

I don't blame the guy, I'd probably have just said to dump it in the recycling next time, or left a note. I think the postmen are doing us, the consumers of the service, a favour by dumping the tonnes of leaflets and crap no one wants.

 

[Energize]

For one thing, you can't say the recipient doesn't want it. Sure, the majority of people don't want it but some people will find it useful.

Sorry, I meant 99.999999999999999999999% of people.

Also, I would argue that sending someone something they don't want does not make it unethical. I don't want Northumbrian Water to send me a water bill so them sending me one must be unethical

That's a straw man though.

Secondly. It isn't necessarily damaging to the environment. Many manufacturers of paper products plant 2 or 3 trees for every 1 tree they cut down - which is a good thing

It's not just the number of trees though, it's the whole expenditure of energy, the petrol used, even the carbon dioxide exhaled in delivering them.

The shocking waste of money in investigating this petty issue as demonstrated in this thread explains why royal mail are so expensive and doing so poorly.

 

[Narj]

I'm sure Royal Mail only send someone around a couple of times a week now since our local sorting office closed. Even then, we're getting post at any time after 1pm!

Also, we've caught the posties out a few times putting cards through the door for parcels when someone's in - they don't bother ringing the doorbell. Complaining hasn't helped.

 

[Westyfield2]

I'd have been grateful if the postie binned my junkmail. But I'd only want mine going in my bin, not the whole streets worth.

 

[Stan_Lite]

Sorry, I meant 99.999999999999999999999% of people.

Depends on the content of the leaflet. If it was a leaflet with a very generous special offer, I would imagine quite a few people would be interested - certainly more than your over-exaggerated percentage would suggest. (A bit of research suggests typical response rates are 1-2% - higher if well targeted.)

That's a straw man though.

The second part, possibly but I had already argued against your position in the first part of the response so I prefer to think of it as an exaggerated example. Also, use of a straw man argument doesn't automatically invalidate that argument.

It's not just the number of trees though, it's the whole expenditure of energy, the petrol used, even the carbon dioxide exhaled in delivering them.

Some paper manufacturers offset their carbon footprint, making them carbon neutral. Admittedly, most mailing companies probably won't be using them but some will so I'll keep the argument in there

Anyway, we could dance around like this all week and get nowhere. The crux of the matter is, the postie didn't do the job he was paid to do and, regardless of what you or I think about the ethics of the situation, that's dereliction of duty.

 

[Lunatic Dreyfus]

The offender will be dismissed, no doubt about it, especially if he has 'form'. Junk Mail is a growing part of our business and management are all over 'door to doors' (as we call them,) these days.

Be thankful it was only 3 loads. Our area can now get up to 7 different 'direct mail' offerings a week.

Personally, I hate it. It's a shocking waste of resources.

 

[khemist]

The offender will be dismissed, no doubt about it, especially if he has 'form'. Junk Mail is a growing part of our business and management are all over 'door to doors' (as we call them,) these days.

Be thankful it was only 3 loads. Our area can now get up to 7 different 'direct mail' offerings a week.

Personally, I hate it. It's a shocking waste of resources.

We used to be able to refuse to do them and there was a guy that we could give them to.

He gave them to his kids and friends and made thousands out it!, but that has all been stopped now.

I done overtime at christmas the first five or so years i was there, but now i don't put my name down for any and just do it when i see fit.

It's great to go in at a normal time at christmas and no matter how bad it is i know i am going to be done on time.