Whats The Best Case...

WJA96 said:
The one we had vibrated itself to bits while it gently cooked the case contents due to a thoroughly inefficient and inadequate airflow. Lots of fans do not a good cooling case make.

For a case that sells in this price range it's just plain nasty in comparison to other cases at the price point.

Its not compulsary to use every fan you can cram into a case :rolleyes: ( I think the stacker will house 9x120mm ! ) I don't use the internal side door.

I run 2 intakes at front / 1 exhaust and 1 top fan all 120mm and totally silent and no vibration.

Any case will "shake itself to bits" if you blindly fit fans everywhere you can.

Mark
 
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I think it has become "fashionable" to **** off the 830 on these forums. It's certainly dropped a lot in price now and is cheaper then equivalent lian li's or silverstones, and I for one like the looks. I reckon it cools pretty well too. If you have 2 x 120mm intakes and 2 x 120mm outtakes like mrdbristol then I don't see why it would not be at least as good as cooling as an Akasa Eclipse but looks miles better.

On the negative I think the case has too much plastic bits in it, and does suffer from build quality issues. At least the 2 I saw had problems with uneven paint finish, and at least 1 broken clip. The side panel was also very difficult to get back on without scratching up the aluminium on the inside. The latest black version has been reported to scratch very easily on the CM forums. And there are still some people reporting the pci slots in the mobo tray do not go down deep enough so it is very hard to seat your cards.

Can any 830 owner tell me if CM addressed any of these problems, in particular the paint finish problems and the sidepanel scratching the inside of the case and difficulty getting it back on.
 
mrdbristol said:
Its not compulsary to use every fan you can cram into a case :rolleyes: ( I think the stacker will house 9x120mm ! ) I don't use the internal side door.

No, it's not compulsory to use all the fans. A Stacker 830 will indeed hold that many fans and if it has been designed with fan holes for 9 x 120mm fans then it should be able to take that many fans and not turn into a vibrating jelly of a thing.

mrdbristol said:
I run 2 intakes at front / 1 exhaust and 1 top fan all 120mm and totally silent and no vibration.

Congratulations. You are using 4 fans to cool a system an Eclipse can cool just as silently with 2 fans. And I have this sneaky suspicion that the Eclipse housed system would actually be cooler.

mrdbristol said:
Any case will "shake itself to bits" if you blindly fit fans everywhere you can.

If it is designed to have that many fans then it should not have unpleasant harmonic vibrations if you fit all those fans, surely? That is exactly what happens if you put fans in the wrong place with a Stacker.
 
Flanno said:
I think it has become "fashionable" to **** off the 830 on these forums. It's certainly dropped a lot in price now and is cheaper then equivalent lian li's or silverstones, and I for one like the looks. I reckon it cools pretty well too. If you have 2 x 120mm intakes and 2 x 120mm outtakes like mrdbristol then I don't see why it would not be at least as good as cooling as an Akasa Eclipse but looks miles better.

No-one ever accused me of being fashionable before ;)

About 18 months ago now I had one of the first 830 stackers in the country. I sell customised databases and my firm will quite often throw in a 'custom' server or PC to sweeten the deal. These PCs are top spec. machines for the IT buyer/manager and they have to look truly special on the day of delivery. We have done systems in Acrylic cases. Mountain Mods, Aspire X-QPacks, Lian Li of every description, one guy wanted an Isotope so we bought him one of those. Because we are buying 1 or 2 of these super-pc's every month, we have a fairly decent relationship with various retailers and my local supplier will get us anything that looks flash to play with and if we don't like it, it just goes back to the store.

We got the stacker and we put a Pentium 4 Prescott system in it with, I think, a 6800 Ultra and 4 hard drives or so. We couldn't stop the temperatures building up unacceptably because we simply couldn't get enough air-flow through the case. There is too much open area on the stacker. You never get a jet of air so you get dead pockets of hot air and the cooling starts to fail as the CPU and graphics coolers just cannot get any cool air into them. That means they recirculate the hot air for cooling instead and the whole thing becomes a vicious circle with every increasing case temperatures.

I love the way a Stacker 830 looks, I just cannot use it because I can't trust the cooling with even a moderate system in it.

A case like the Eclipse works because the two fans generate a high speed-jet of air that passes over the hard drives then over/through the CPU cooler. Hot air rises off the graphics cards and enters the air stream to be pulled out by the exhaust. While not necessary, the second fan in the power supply helps to pressurise the case further (more exhaust fans than inlet pressurizes the case and sucks air in through all the cracks) and increases the speed of the air jet. In some modern graphics card systems there is a dead spot created above the graphics cards so Akasa produced the side panel with the fan in to make sure the graphics cards have adequate air on them.

I've tried almost every case on the market and, in terms of what I've got systems waiting to be built in at the moment, it's Lian Li and Akasa all the way. G50/V600/V1200 and Akasa Zen and Eclipse. We don't use PC7+'s because they are a bit plain-jane looking for our purposes, but they are excellent cases and very good quality for the money.

So I would disagree with your statement about it being fashionable to attack the stacker, unless it's fashionable to tell the truth.

Merry Xmas by the way!
 
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The only reason why people say bad words about the Stacker here is because there are people who have used better for the same money.

Most people think more fans offers better cooling and makes a better case. Back in the days of the Scorpios and Dragons more was indeed a much better way to go with a case just because everything was pure CFM for cooling, those days are long gone.

A semi decent case like the Zen can cool better than a Stacker 830 for a normal rig (single card of 7800/1800 dual core) in all but hard drive temps. That says it all for me.

If a case has fan mountings it should mean that to get optimal cooling you need to use them all. Cases which are not designed 100% properly have redundant fans.

Stacker 830 and the other recent example, the Lian Li S80b.

I run one fan in mine, the rear as an exhaust, the front two do nothing for temperatures and the hard drives only go up by 1deg without them, the top fan is not needed as my PSU can push enough air due to my CPU heat being dumped outside the case via a reserator.

To me it is great having the fans but slightly pointless if your not going to use them, 1 in 1 out on a simple case can cool much better than any multi fan fancy cooling system I have ever used, they basically do not work.

I rate the S80b as probably my second favourite case of all time after the 110, followed by the v1000 in third place. Would I recommend it to people; that would be a very rare thing if they have not explained exactly what they are after. Like the 830 has the potential to be the best case ever if you build the system to work in the case.

My rig is built for the v1000 silent cooling, it was not intended for the S80b. The modifications I am making to my setup should get the best out of the S80b although at best it is a very one minute wonder case. I would rate it 100% for me as it is just excessive where I like it but as anyone who has used one will tell you the cooling system on it is just 'slightly' over the top with the fans.

The Stacker 830 suffers the same, too many fans that are not needed and as WJA96 has said it suffers from common quality control issues. For me anything above £30 now has to be perfect quality wise and not cause issue. The Zen for me raised the level I expect from every case I buy, it has to work and hold the PC without the case causing any issues that can not be sorted in a few minutes.

Zen, PC7+, Eclipse, V series if you do a bit of prep all offer this, so does the 810 and the original Stacker.

When a £100 case has issues with it to do with build quality it instantly drops into my 'avoid' list, if you are spending what is honestly megabucks on a case to most people you expect it to hold your PC without fault for years to come.

In 2010 I will put money on if you compared how many people still were using a PC7 series to a Stacker series of case the PC7 would win (fair split at the start) with most Stackers still in use being the older ones.

The 830 may get highly rated by some people but really when you compare it to cases half its (current) price it falls short in a lot of key areas. If your system is suited to the case then yes it is superb, it actually is a very good case BUT its just that some of the competition is just better.

When you compare the Stacker 830, which is indeed a very good case to an Eclipse chassis then it is just comparing a very good chassis to a decade+ old legendary chassis.

Its just a case of the Stacker 830 is inferior to the competition when you are being entirely objective. I hate the look of the Eclipse with a passion but it is probably the best case out there and has been since the dawn of time it seems. :p

Buy what you want and be happy with it, no cases OcUK sell at the moment are truely shocking, however all cases are not made equal and when you use enough of them for whatever reason it becomes obvious that some manufacturers get it right more often and create legendary designs.

The more fans you fit usually the worse the case becomes in my book, you CAN cool a SLI rig with just one 80mm fan at 5v. That is 100% stable so how some of these cases with SLI ratings they should be fantastic yet comparatively they are not that much better.

Its not how many fans you have its how you use them that counts. Some cases get more out of each fan than others, the last thing you want is fans cancelling each other out!

I could add more here but I really have to dash for Christmas dinner and all that, I may add more later but hope you all have a great day. :)
 
WJA96 said:
No, it's not compulsory to use all the fans. A Stacker 830 will indeed hold that many fans and if it has been designed with fan holes for 9 x 120mm fans then it should be able to take that many fans and not turn into a vibrating jelly of a thing.



Congratulations. You are using 4 fans to cool a system an Eclipse can cool just as silently with 2 fans. And I have this sneaky suspicion that the Eclipse housed system would actually be cooler.



If it is designed to have that many fans then it should not have unpleasant harmonic vibrations if you fit all those fans, surely? That is exactly what happens if you put fans in the wrong place with a Stacker.


Firstly, i only paid £90 for my case ( few weeks old from MM )
I could never afford to pay the full price this case.

I have not attempted to run all 9 fans as this is complete overkill. and totally agree with you if it does vibrate badly with all fans then there is a design/manuifacturing issue.

I mainly choose my cases on looks first, then cooling second.

Just sticking up for what IMO is an excellent case.

Merry Xmas :D

Mark
 
mrdbristol said:
Firstly, i only paid £90 for my case ( few weeks old from MM )
I could never afford to pay the full price this case.

I have not attempted to run all 9 fans as this is complete overkill. and totally agree with you if it does vibrate badly with all fans then there is a design/manuifacturing issue.

I mainly choose my cases on looks first, then cooling second.

Just sticking up for what IMO is an excellent case.

Merry Xmas :D

Mark

For £90 you got a decent deal I would say. Like you, I love the way it looks and all kudos to you for defending it. If you'd said "looks>cooling IMO" in the first place then I wouldn't have posted.

I love V600's more than any other case but if someone posted on here that they wanted to put a Prescott system in one I'd have to scream NO!!!! with every fibre of my being. They work fine with early AMD and Core2Duo's but they're no good with high temperature systems. If you read Yewen's post above you'll realise that he's bought a truly beautiful S80b and he loves it, but he would only recommend it in very special circumstances.

The PC7/V1x00/V2x00/Eclipse ALWAYS give a good result so I/you/we can be very confident in recommending them. Anything else has to be recommended very carefully.

If someone spent the thick end of £200 on a Stacker 830 and opened the box this morning, bolted the rest of their kit in and it kept falling over because of the heat or the vibration led to your Mum's Franklin Mint Collection of Handmade Songbirds of Europe falling off the mantelpiece then you'd feel bad and no-one would take your advice again.

Enjoy Christmas - and post your Stacker piccies - it's hardcore case porn and you know it! ;)
 
WJA96 said:


I'll post piccies when i've sorted a "good looking" CPU cooler for it. Running a plain Arctic freezer 64 atm , looking at the zalman CNPS9500/9700 or Thermaltake blue orb. Must be blue to go with braiding / cathodes etc.

Cheers mate and have a good day. :D

Mark
 
My Mirage cools well I just dont like the looks of it :(

Actually I agree with what everyone is saying, and having never actually used the stacker (I sent it back after the appauling paint job). I would have falsely thought with a simple fan in / fan out it would have matched the Eclipse. But I can see how those meshed sidepanels everywhere can interfere with airflow. Never really thought about it too much, but now I remember people commenting on the original stacker and how the side 80mm fan did not help matters.

The problem I had with with the Mirage/Eclipse (besides the horrible looks) is that while working ok with just 2 fans, and the sidepanel to help my g80 (which it does very nicely), as soon as I added more then 2 hard drives, I noticed my cpu temps on the up. I guess this is because I am using low speed jobs (Scythe SFlex 1200rpm) and the cold air gets heated up very quickly. To help with the situaiton I used 3 of the 5.25" bays to add a Scythe Kama Bay Cooler, which is essentially just a 120mm fan on a piece of metal. I used a quiet 800rpm scythe sflex, and found this helped by blowing cool air quietly towards the cpu heatisnk with very little extra noise. So in this situation I do not think I have upset the natural airflow of the case.

<edit>Although this means I now have only 2 exhaust fans (rear 120mm and psu fan), and 3 intake fans (120mm hard drive, gpu, and top bay). So maybe I have upset the airflow</edit>
 
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