What's the current practice regarding a electric hand brake when taking your test.

Hater said:
What do normal people who drive normal electric handbrake cars do normally?
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I just drive off, the brake disingages itself only when the car is moving forward.
There is no jumping around on the brake or console message as the Op suggests, must be a very different electrinic brake to mine, mine is great, no rollback, as it doesn't disingage until you move forward.
 
Hikari Kisugi said:
I just drive off, the brake disingages itself only when the car is moving forward.
There is no jumping around on the brake or console message as the Op suggests, must be a very different electrinic brake to mine, mine is great, no rollback, as it doesn't disingage until you move forward.
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It's almost like not every single car operates in the same way...
 
[TW]Fox said:
It's almost like not every single car operates in the same way...
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Indeed, retardedly in some cases.
Now you mention the z4, I was unaware any insane ******* would actually release such a ******* rollback machine into a live market, especially when their other implementations work just fine.
Madness.
 
Don't most people take the test in the car that they have learned to drive in? I know I did many moons ago and surely that's how driving schools still operate. If this is true then it shouldn't be a issue as you should have been instructed on how it works.
 
[TW]Fox said:
Because an electric handbrake is either on, or off. Whereas you can slowly release a manually operated handbrake so you don't go from a situation where 100% of the car is being held by the handbrake to 0% of the car instantly.

To combat this virtually all cars with an electronic handbrake have some form of hill hold assist, where the brakes remain applied for several seconds after release until you accelerate, or an auto releasing handbrake. For cars like this, operation is simple, easy and hassle free.

Some cars, however, do not - I'm looking at you, 4 cylinder BMW Z4's. These have an electronic handbrake, no auto release and no hill hold assist. Doing a hill start is quite tricky until you get used to it and even then is more faffy than it really it should be...
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Tricky for who, learners? Sounds like they shouldn't be learning in a Z4!
 
Hater said:
Tricky?

Hill starts without a handbrake are tricky?

I hope you're like 17. Heel and toe, mate.
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Must have stopped teaching that one :p

Short stop you can hold on clutch (probably not test friendly), otherwise you need a handbrake and some of the electric ones are awful.
 
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Surely there are bigger questions about electric handbrakes and passing your driving test?

How can you do handbrake turns the week after you get your licence? How will you ever impress the girls? A whole generation will be lost never knowing the amount of man-(teen)-points to be gained by nearly bending your car around a lamppost at every opportunity.
 
FL630 said:
Surely there are bigger questions about electric handbrakes and passing your driving test?

How can you do handbrake turns the week after you get your licence? How will you ever impress the girls? A whole generation will be lost never knowing the amount of man-(teen)-points to be gained by nearly bending your car around a lamppost at every opportunity.
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It was only when i got a car with EPB that i found i had a bad habit of applying the brake before completely stopping. These things are like throwing an anchor out the back, i was nearly getting whip lash each time. I wouldn't be without it now, we have a very steep drive and it holds the car much better than my other car without feeling like your going to snap a cable.

Regards the test, it will just be about using it correctly, hill starts cant be done in the same way, well you could manually release the brake and be quick to avoid rolling back.
I dont see it as any different that the tests changed when ABS came common we stopped testing for pumping the brake.
 
robj20 said:
I dont see it as any different that the tests changed when ABS came common we stopped testing for pumping the brake.
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see i don't agree with that, being one of the poor sods who never got taught proper brake control and ended up in a car with no abs after parking.

i guess the flip side is i now know proper brake control, but it should have been taught by instruction rather than close shaves involving finding out what happens when the wheels lock up.
 
adolf hamster said:
see i don't agree with that, being one of the poor sods who never got taught proper brake control and ended up in a car with no abs after parking.

i guess the flip side is i now know proper brake control, but it should have been taught by instruction rather than close shaves involving finding out what happens when the wheels lock up.
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By that logic, did they teach you how to reverse around a corner in a car with no passenger mirror.
What about how to operate a pedal operated screen wash. Non cancelling indicators.
As car technology moves on so the test changes and the teaching.

When I was doing my lessons I pointed out that the car I would be driving after passing my test didn't have abs he did show me how to do it.
 
robj20 said:
By that logic, did they teach you how to reverse around a corner in a car with no passenger mirror.
What about how to operate a pedal operated screen wash. Non cancelling indicators.
As car technology moves on so the test changes and the teaching.

When I was doing my lessons I pointed out that the car I would be driving after passing my test didn't have abs he did show me how to do it.
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there's a line yes, but you must agree that something so fundemental to safety would be important?

it's not meant to be about the intricacies of every single type of vehicle, just the important points of maintaining safe driving.
 
I remember my instructor saying when I passed. "Now the real learning begins".
When you get in an unfamiliar car you're supposed to familiarise yourself to it. Read the manual and so on.
When I went from the mk1 focus to a mk5 mondeo I had all sorts to figure out.
Electronic parking brake, auto everything, where all the controls are and so on.
The test teaches you the very basics based on the current average car.
 
robj20 said:
I remember my instructor saying when I passed. "Now the real learning begins".
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I guess that's some kind of buzz phrase. Heard it often. Don't really agree with it - driving doesn't suddenly change when you pass. If anything driving is easier because you're not redundantly checking mirrors every 4 seconds or exaggerating head turns.
 
MooMoo444 said:
I guess that's some kind of buzz phrase. Heard it often. Don't really agree with it - driving doesn't suddenly change when you pass. If anything driving is easier because you're not redundantly checking mirrors every 4 seconds or exaggerating head turns.
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You just proved the point. You learn how to read traffic, so you don't need to constantly check your mirrors. You get loads better at everything in a short time when you have to do it all the time.
You learn how to use the motorways.
You learn all the things that are technically wrong but people do. Such as what a flash of main beam means.
I could go on.

So you drive the same as you did when you passed your test.
 
robj20 said:
Only on autos, manuals you have to engage it.
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Not true. Have driven manual vw golf's and epb is automatic when car has stopped, and it disengages itself when you pull away. Doesn't roll back on hills either.

Interesting question this. If one learnt in a auto handbrake car and passed test in one, they would never develop the skills needed to operate a manual handbrake and do hill starts. Quite fundamental skills.

Is it still correct that if you pass in an auto you can't drive a manual? Similar thing isn't it.
 
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